What Soora 2:23 really says to SFE Talk?

No objective criteria? No challenge. sura 2:23 remains unintelligible.

cheers

Fuzzman

Originally posted by SFE talk at 2003-12-7 01:20 AM:
No objective criteria? No challenge. sura 2:23 remains unintelligible.cheers

There is a proverb that suits you like a second skin and it reads like this - You can lead a donkey to a trough of water but you can't force it to drink from it.

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman on 11-12-2003 at 07:45 PM ]

No objective criteria? No challenge. sura 2:23 remains unintelligible.
so where are your objective criteria?

cheers

Fuzzman

Originally posted by SFE talk at 2003-12-7 07:35 PM:
No objective criteria? No challenge. sura 2:23 remains unintelligible.
so where are your objective criteria? cheers

You can lead a donkey to a trough of water but you can't force it to drink from it.

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman on 11-12-2003 at 07:46 PM ]

So where are the objective criteria for the challenge?
The ball is in your court, not mine. You can walk to the trough of water, its still up to you if you want to drink.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by SFE talk at 2003-12-11 02:01 AM:
So where are the objective criteria for the challenge?
The ball is in your court, not mine. You can walk to the trough of water, its still up to you if you want to drink.

You can lead a donkey to a trough of water but you can't force it to drink from it.

ARI FUZZMAN

If you refuse to drink, tahst your problem.

I'm still waiting for your objective criteria of the competition to make sura 2:23 intelligible.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by SFE talk at 2003-12-11 09:56 AM:
If you refuse to drink, tahst your problem. I'm still waiting for your objective criteria of the competition to make sura 2:23 intelligible.

You can lead a donkey to a trough of water but you can't force it to drink from it.

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

For 10 pages I've been placing ten troughs of water for this really lunatic donkey that refuses to drink although we know that it's trying really hard to fight off the thirst.

Those troughs were filled with water that had magical letters that floated in them and they all read this very special issue that reads like this :-

" To create a chapter in similiarity or likeness to any chosen soora with the assistance of your helpers from your faith who are directly your witnesses if and when you are in doubt that the Quran was not from Allah but the creation of Prophet Mohammad."

ARI FUZZMAN

So what are teh objective criteria for similarities? Where?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by SFE talk at 2003-12-11 10:20 PM:
So what are teh objective criteria for similarities? Where?

You can lead a donkey to a trough of water but you can't force it to drink from it.

ARI FUZZMAN

So when are you showing is the objective criteria for the challenge? How do we measure the criteria?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by SFE talk at 2003-12-11 10:20 PM:
So what are teh objective criteria for similarities? Where?

In similiarity or in likeness but never the same. Meaning you cannot copy and paste, then do alterations based on Quranic accounts already existing in singularity or plurality. In simpler terms - create what that is not already created.

If you still do not understand then try this modern day example. If this doesn't help, I don't know what will for you?
Create a car like a BMW but not it.

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman on 12-12-2003 at 05:12 PM ]

So what are the objective criteria for similarity or likeness? You got to specify them.  

If you say make a better car than BMW, better in way way? Handling? Performance, style? How can these be objetively measured?

Fuzzman

SFE Talk wrote:- So what are the objective criteria for similarity or likeness? You got to specify them.

You should take my perception of the objective criteria as a whole compliment and not bits and pieces here and there. Can't you answer based on simple paragraph?

The issue of what is correct for similiarity or likeness is burdened upon the doubtor and not the perceptor. That is why it would only take a person who is well-versed with Quran, its true Arabic meaning and its not-so-perfect translations. One who knows what the nearest English translation that at times doesn't even pass for a truthful translation but a "literal patch" to string a complete almost closest foreign language representation. If you had these qualities I wouldn't have to put up nonsensical examples of cars to make you get the point. But sadly the matter of fact says that you aren't 2:23 material.

My most simplest answer to you is just this:
TO CREATE THE UNCREATED THAT HAS THE QUALITIES OF THE CREATED.

ARI FUZZMAN

You gotta be specific Fuzzy, what exactly are the objective criterioa for teh challenge?

Build a better car than BMW? Better in what way? feul economy?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by SFE talk at 2003-12-14 07:55 PM:
You gotta be specific Fuzzy, what exactly are the objective criterioa for teh challenge?Build a better car than BMW? Better in what way? feul economy?

Something to the effect of creating something uncreated in an already created car like this Beemer. If say,  this car had the standard specs and techs, create something that will surpass that and thus making  the Beemer's advance techs obselete.Of course you can't use past engine  layouts for that would make the Beemer uncompetitive over a lesser progressive tech engine. You can't use the realtime egine construction plans as they too will foil your attempt as being steroetyped and smack you for infringment of copyright. So what do you do?

CREATE THAT'S NOT ALREADY CREATED.

Simple as that as for a person to create something better than the present one, that person should have basic understanding of the workings of the subject that he will attempt challenging. Without primary experince or theorical knowledge, this chalenge would end up being nothing but a baseless and futile attempt that has no zest. And that challenger would be inclined to keep revolving around what little he knows.

ARI FUZZMAN

So what a the objective criteria for the sura 2:23 challenge?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by SFE talk at 2003-12-17 05:48 AM:
So what a the objective criteria for the sura 2:23 challenge?

The objective is : TO CREATE THE UNCREATED THAT HAS THE QUALITIES OF THE CREATED.
as mentioned in my perception of the below.
" To create a chapter in similiarity or likeness to any chosen soora with the assistance of your helpers from your faith who are directly your witnesses if and when you are in doubt that the Quran was not from Allah but the creation of Prophet Mohammad."

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Looks like SFE Talk is stuck for an answer

ARI FUZZMAN