WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM) THE PROPHET OF ISLAM

ussopp

Originally posted by weedkiller at 29-8-2006 06:28 PM
Jesus is God and he came to earth to become a human to serve mankind, so he's God in human form and is still bound to the limitations of man. For example:



this shows that Jesus is a human an ...

that means the god title/status doesnt change rite?
so cant compare him with moses...although he feel tired as a human, he is still god...
human and god are huge differen..

Originally posted by ussopp at 29-8-2006 06:37 PM


that means the god title/status doesnt change rite?
so cant compare him with moses...although he feel tired as a human, he is still god...
human and god are huge differen..

still he does not intervene as God. he still remains as a human and sacrificed himself for the prophecy while on earth.

[quote]Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death梩hat is, the devil

ussopp

Originally posted by weedkiller at 29-8-2006 06:45 PM

still he does not intervene as God. he still remains as a human and sacrificed himself for the prophecy while on earth.



Read that verse. He became human so that he himself can help those  ...

so, at that time, the man called jesus and god are not the same?

look, the conclusion is that Jesus is God. but he came down to earth as HUMAN with godly nature to serve mankind and redeem their sins. and when he is done, he ascended to heaven again as God. So while on earth he's not God but a mere human who can feel and suffer like a normal man, just like moses.

[quote]Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death梩hat is, the devil

look, the conclusion is that Jesus is God. but he came down to earth as HUMAN with godly nature to serve mankind and redeem their sins. and when he is done, he ascended to heaven again as God. So while on earth he's not God but a mere human who can feel and suffer like a normal man, just like moses.

That sentence says it all. the conclusion is Jesus is considered God, cut all your craps. Moses is not considered as God. You confused a lot here.

[quote]Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death梩hat is, the devil

In what sense GOD could be compared with a human ? Can explain ? Im not losing the argument, it seems you are too desparate till wanna compare someone who is said to be GOD here with a human.

[quote]Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death梩hat is, the devil

Originally posted by weedkiller at 29-8-2006 09:54 PM




So what is your opinion in those verses?

Well Jesus is humble enough to be human and redeem the sins of mankind. Has Muhammad done anything apart from getting wives, go around killing, g ...

muhamad (p) provide us with a code of law on how to govern individuals, community and countries. he explained the whole concept of human relationship with god. jesus didnt say a word. its by chance 4 guys' story books, out of very many, were picked by a dictator to represent the religion.

a lot of what being said in bible are good but it has yet to breach its status as a book not written by jesus, not commissioned by jesus and not even known by him.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/foru ... t=26965&start=0 - here's one of your fellow joining you in claiming that Muhammad's predicted in the Bible. but the response towards it is much harsher than what you have here.

The usual muslim stupidity. For you to believe that Mohammad was "predicted" in the Bible you would have to first accept that the Bible as it exists is true. If you do accept that the Bible is true than you are forced to conclude that the Koran is false, for it says that the Bible has been corrupted by the jews and christians.

True muslims do not read the Bible for this reason.

Muslims consider the bible to be corrupted, then why do they look to it for support? Either they are lying about the Bible or Islam us corrupt.

[ Last edited by  weedkiller at 29-8-2006 10:22 PM ]

nightlord

If you ask a muslim whether Allah can appear to Muhammad as a man, they will immediately say yes because they know Allah can do anything he wishes to.

But when you tell a muslim, that your Lord is God in human form they will cry blaspheme.

Like the jews, even if Allah came as a man the muslim will also reject him. Because they are taught not to think but to believe without question the word of Muhammad.

In christianity, we learn that our spirit will know when we meet God.

Well Jesus is humble enough to be human and redeem the sins of mankind. Has Muhammad done anything apart from getting wives, go around killing, getting more wives, starting war, getting a 6 year old as wife and killing more people and capturing slaves. how does that compare to Moses. pffft.... and when i bring that out you say that I'm slandering Muhammad.

Well, this is what called slanders, i have already challenged you to open a new thread to debate about that matter, you havent did so. This show your ignorance to know about Prophet Muhammad. Yes, i do admit Bible is corrupted and polluted, Deut 18:18 is not deleted nor corrupted coz all this while Christians think it points to Jesus, but its not the case. You are comparing someone you say human on earth, then God after died and bla bla bla. But the conlusion is Jesus is regarded as GOD, but Moses is not. That well enough a huge difference. You can compare human to human, but how could you compare GOD with human nature with a human ?? Answer staightforward, is Jesus is regarded as GOD ??

Well, this is what called slanders, i have already challenged you to open a new thread to debate about that matter, you havent did so.

slanders or fact? he did went to war, he did have more than 6 wives, and he did have a 6 year old as a wife. unless you want to show me proof that he did not do all that.

Yes, i do admit Bible is corrupted and polluted, Deut 18:18 is not deleted nor corrupted coz all this while Christians think it points to Jesus, but its not the case.

lol the whole Bible is corrupted. and only this one is not corrupted. where's the logic in that? let me give you an example of your stupidity put in a simple parable. you bought a bottle of milk, put it in the fridge and didn't touch it for 3 months. later u found out that the bottle of milk has gone green and sour. and then u go out telling people that there's "some part" is still not green yet. and the green part is not milk but chocolate and it's drinkable. well again, only u can accept such stupid logic.

You are comparing someone you say human on earth, then God after died and bla bla bla. But the conlusion is Jesus is regarded as GOD, but Moses is not. That well enough a huge difference. You can compare human to human, but how could you compare GOD with human nature with a human ?? Answer staightforward, is Jesus is regarded as GOD ??

[quote]Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death梩hat is, the devil

Prophet Muhammad ~ God's final prophet


First: the Perfection of Qualities

The Prophet, peace be upon him, had a smiling face that made him loveable to the people who submitted to him and followed him.

He was also wise, discerning and patient. Severe trials used to make him stronger. He was the most disinterested in the worldly pleasures. He was the example of modesty. He was kind to all, he used to walk in the markets and sit on earth. He was distinguished from his Companions only with shyness and silence.

One of the Prophet抯 most honourable attributes was his extreme tolerance. The Arabs showed him hatred and animosity but that made him kinder and more merciful. He showed neither wrath nor vengeance but for Allah抯 sake. He fulfilled the promise and kept the covenant.

Second: The Virtues of the Prophet抯 Speech

The extreme wisdom and the comprehensive knowledge that surprised his contemporaries.
The strong capacity to learn by heart, he forgets not even a single information as regards his Message.
He explained his laws and teachings with very clear proofs.
He incided his people for virtues and good conduct, and interdicted jealousy, hatred and all that is abominable.
He gave a clear answer whenever asked and a strong proof whenever he argued.
He kept his tongue from altering or perverting speech, till he became known as truthful.
He expressed what he wanted in a perfect manner.
He was the most eloquent person who had clear meanings and lucid words.


Third: The Virtues of Prophet抯 Deeds

His good conduct.
Combining at the same time mercy (for followers) and awe for those who opposed him.
His Shari`ah (law) is a just one, moderate between intemperance and negligence.
He took from this world just what is sufficient.
He explained his teachings and the rule of worship in such a clear manner that no law other than his is required.
Combining his inviting to the religion with arguments and his readiness to fight the enemies till he was victorious.
His courage in fighting and strong desire to rescue the needy and the frightened.
His exemplary generosity.

Proof of Muhammad's true prophethood


1. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Koran that we now have between our hands. This Koran mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said.

2. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.

3. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Qur'an  that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Qur'an  challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Qur'an. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Qur'an.

Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Qur'an.

4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.

5. Allah instilled great love for Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him.

Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.

6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history.

Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.

7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him.

Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves.

Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.

During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble Prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.

Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc.

Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed.

All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.

8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.

9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.

Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion.

My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.

10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its credal and legal make-up.

Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy.

Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.

11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought.

In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one' parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching.

All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.

12. The legal and credal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion.

The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).

[ Last edited by  KENNKID at 30-8-2006 01:37 PM ]

Debmey

but Mo was never mentioned in the Bible at all. not even once.

slanders or fact? he did went to war, he did have more than 6 wives, and he did have a 6 year old as a wife. unless you want to show me proof that he did not do all that.

Already told you, but i dont know whether u understand english or not. If you want to know more about Prophet Muhammad, open a new thread and we can debate there, not here coz thats not the topic here. Moses married and have children, Muhammad married and have children, it doesnt matter how many wives, it just same. Moses and Muhammad married and have children, but Jesus in not. See the difference. If u still not satisfied, open a new thread, we debate there ok.

lol the whole Bible is corrupted. and only this one is not corrupted. where's the logic in that? let me give you an example of your stupidity put in a simple parable. you bought a bottle of milk, put it in the fridge and didn't touch it for 3 months. later u found out that the bottle of milk has gone green and sour. and then u go out telling people that there's "some part" is still not green yet. and the green part is not milk but chocolate and it's drinkable. well again, only u can accept such stupid logic.

Let me explain you the level of ur understanding here. I said all this while Christians think Deut 18:18 point to Jesus, thats why they didnt altered or deleted it, yet in some translation, the word "brethren" already translated to Israelite. I dont see any sense in that. Also in the Indonesian translation Jesus translated to HambaNya, i dont see any logic either here. If u cant understand this logic, then im sorry.

[quote]Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death

Originally posted by Debmey at 30-8-2006 01:40 PM
but Mo was never mentioned in the Bible at all. not even once.

Deut 18:18 point to Prophet Muhammad.

Already told you, but i dont know whether u understand english or not. If you want to know more about Prophet Muhammad, open a new thread and we can debate there, not here coz thats not the topic here. Moses married and have children, Muhammad married and have children, it doesnt matter how many wives, it just same. Moses and Muhammad married and have children, but Jesus in not. See the difference. If u still not satisfied, open a new thread, we debate there ok.

but Moses never went to war wohhhhhhhhhhhhhh............

Let me explain you the level of ur understanding here. I said all this while Christians think Deut 18:18 point to Jesus, thats why they didnt altered or deleted it, yet in some translation, the word "brethren" already translated to Israelite. I dont see any sense in that. Also in the Indonesian translation Jesus translated to HambaNya, i dont see any logic either here. If u cant understand this logic, then im sorry.

LOL you are definitely stupid. here's a parable of you again. you bought a bottle of milk, put it in the fridge and didn't touch it for 3 months. later u found out that the bottle of milk has gone green and sour. and then u go out telling people that there's "some part" of it is still not green yet. and it's drinkable BECAUSE everyone says that it's milk. but again, it's not milk but chocolate.
oh yeah and how do you explain the other parts of the Bible that points to Jesus? what are those parts? not referring to Jesus but all prophecy of Muhammad? you never fail to humor me with your stupidity when it comes to explanations.

Well, i do understand what it stated here. But God didnt tell the same thing to Moses rite ?? Agree ?

why does he have to tell Moses worrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............

[ Last edited by  weedkiller at 30-8-2006 02:20 PM ]