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Ten Reasons Why Muhammad Was a False Prophet?
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wkk5159 posted on 24-4-2013 10:15 PM 
Bible bahasa Greek dan Hebrew telah diterjemaah dengan sempurna dalam bahasa Inggeris dan juga bah ...
ko check balik maleakhi 3:1.betul ke diterjemah kan dengan sempurna???
Just for your information........
Pada tahun 200 BC,orang yahudi terbahagi kepada 2 iaitu Ortodoks dan Helenis.
Orang yahudi helenis ialah orang yahudi yang telah mengamalkan budaya dan bahasa yunani.Ini dibuktikan dengan wujudnya "septuagint".Septuagint ini adalah Kitab Perjanjian Lama (Old Testament) yang telah diterjemah kan ke dalam bahasa yunani bagi kegunaan masyarakat yahudi yang merantau di greek dan rom.
Kewujudan 2 kitab dengan bahasa yang berbeza menyebabkan timbul konflik diantara yahudi ortodoks dengan yahudi helenis.
Menyebabkana wujudnya Dewan gereja Yavne atau Yamnia di antara tahun 90-95 AD.Salah satu keputusan penting Dewan Gereja ini ialah yahudi ortodoks menolak naskah Perjanjian lama berbahasa yunani (Septuaginta LXX).
Sebelum itu telah berlaku konflik diantara yahudi helenis dengan yahudi ortodoks menyebabkan pihak Raja Antiochus memihak kepada yahudi helenis.Situasi ini berlarutan sehinggan mencetuskan Pemberontakan yahudi Pertama antara tahun 66-70 masehi.
Tercetusnya konflik ini menyebabkan lahirnya agama kristian.Pengikut agama kristian yang asal adalah dari kaum yahudi sendiri yang kemudianya berpecah kepada 2 iaitu Kristian Pauline yang dibawa oleh Paulus(gabenor Rom dari kalangan yahudi helenis) dan Kristian yahudi yang dipelopori oleh Yakobus Bin Yusof.Kristian yahudi telah dikalahkan oleh Kristian Pauline dan pada tahun 300-an AD,agama kristian Pauline menjadi agama rasmi kerajaan Rom.
Kitab injil yang ada sekarang ini ada hubung kait dengan Kristian Paulus yang berasal dari orang Yahudi Helenis yang sudah tidak tahu bertutur dan menulis di dalam bahasa hebrew.......
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orangbesi posted on 25-4-2013 10:22 PM
1. No extraordinary natural signs before birth of Muhammad, or predictions from past religious ...
ko jawab dari No.6 hingga No.10.....1~5 aku dah reply
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cmf_BeachBoys posted on 26-4-2013 08:48 PM
ko check balik maleakhi 3:1.betul ke diterjemah kan dengan sempurna???
Just for your informatio ...
Saya tak perlu pandang jauh dan saya telah mendapati post kamu ini penuh dengan dusta dan perbohongan sama seperti apa yang nabi palsu tu yang membohong dam menukar kandungan Injil dan Torah untuk memenuhi agenda peribadinya.
"Kristian yahudi telah dikalahkan oleh Kristian Pauline dan pada tahun 300-an AD,agama kristian Pauline menjadi agama rasmi kerajaan Rom."
Pernahkah dalam sejarah Kristian, penganutnya memerangi musuhnya dengan kekasaran dan keganasan ???( tidak sehingga abad ke-11 di mana Crusaders di bawah gereja Katolik yang jelasnya membelakangi ajaran Isa sebenar !).
Kalau nak berbohong pun kena buat sedikit penyelidikan dan pencarian dulu lah pakcik Beachboy. Petikan di atas adalah bahan lawak untuk sesiapa yang mempunyai walaupun secubit pengetahuan sejarah gereja.....Paul atau Saul of Tarsus adalah seorang Pharisees atau rabbi dalam agama Yahudi, kedudukannya dalam masyarakat ketika itu adalah begitu disanjung tinggi. Pada satu misi ke Damascus, Syria, beliau telah didatangi oleh Isa (selepas crucifiction and resurrection) (Act 9:3-8).
Paul adalah seorang penguasa agama Yahudi dan dia adalah seorang yang dipertanggungjawabkan oleh pihak berkuasa Yahudi dibawah pemerintahan Rom ketika itu untuk menindas umat Kristian sehinggalah Isa menunjukkan keajaiban(miracle) yang mengubah nasibnya.....Bayangkan seorang Rabbi Yahudi yang mempunyai segala-galanya, kuasa, duit dan reputasi....tetapi dia sanggup melepaskan semua ini semata-mata untuk menyebarkan Gospel ( Berita Baik) Isa ??? Kamu rasa logikkah ??? Apa kesudahannya akibat menerima petunjuk Isa dan menyebarkan Gospel Isa ??? Beliau mati syahid dipancung kepala pada AD67 !
Kalau dia betul betul nak menyebarkan versi Kristian ala Pauline, dia boleh berbuat demikian dengan terus menggunakan kekerasan seperti yang dilakukan olehnya sebelum menjadi seorang Kristian iaitu seorang Rabbi yang berkuasa, kan ini akan melindungi dia daripada bertukar menjadi seorang yang menindas dan menjadi seorang yang ditindas ! Bodohkan ?
Apa yang menyebabkan beliau meninggalkan segala kebendaan duniaan hanya untuk menyebar Gospel Isa, apa ganjaran menyebar Gospel Isa pada abad 1 AD ??? Ditindas sehingga mati !
Dia juga boleh mengelar agama ciptaannya Paulinian daripada menamakannya Kristian, kan ? Pakailah neuron kurniaan Tuhan !
Lain kali rujuklah sumber yang sahih dan jitu sebelum berhujah di sini.
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wkk5159 posted on 27-4-2013 02:27 PM
Saya tak perlu pandang jauh dan saya telah mendapati post kamu ini penuh dengan dusta dan perbohon ...
wkk5159:
Pernahkah dalam sejarah Kristian, penganutnya memerangi musuhnya dengan kekasaran dan keganasan ???( tidak sehingga abad ke-11 di mana Crusaders di bawah gereja Katolik yang jelasnya membelakangi ajaran Isa sebenar !).
Crusaders - membelakangi ajaran Isa sebenar walaupun di bawah gereja Katolik.
Boston Bombing - suggest that Islam needs to be eradicated. No mention of 'membelakangi ajaran Islam yg sebenar'.
Mmmm.....
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mashimaru83 posted on 27-4-2013 02:44 PM
Crusaders - membelakangi ajaran Isa sebenar walaupun di bawah gereja Katolik.
Boston Bombing ...
Fair.......You are right retrospectively BUT....
Your brethrens here fail to enlighten me on the mind boggling rate of terrorisms commited by muslims even now we are in the 21st century.
I see a trend here; in ancient time, when there are higher rate of iliteracy, the violent occurence in any religion is high and with improved literacy in the modern era and more thorough study of their respective scriptures , occurence of terrorism have been remarkedly reduced in virtually all religion as compare to old time but not so with Islam.....from my research i find that only muslims become more violent as they become more religious !
Most Wanted Terrorrists likeHAKIMULLAH MEHSUD, IBRAHIM SALIH MOHAMMED AL-YACOUB, ABD AL AZIZ AWDA,OMAR SHAFIK HAMMAMI, RAMADAN ABDULLAH MOHAMMAD SHALLAH,ABDULLAH AHMED ABDULLAH,ISNILON TOTONI HAPILON and HASSAN IZZ AL-DIN. Do you sncerely think that your knowledge of Islam is greater than them ????? Even if you think otherwise, do you think that majority if Islamic world are agreeable with you ??
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wkk5159 posted on 27-4-2013 03:46 PM
Fair.......You are right retrospectively BUT....
Your brethrens here fail to enlighten me on th ...
wkk5159:
Fair.......You are right retrospectively BUT....
Your brethrens here fail to enlighten me on the mind boggling rate of terrorisms commited by muslims even now we are in the 21st century.
wkk5159:
I see a trend here; in ancient time, when there are higher rate of iliteracy, the violent occurence in any religion is high and with improved literacy in the modern era and more thorough study of their respective scriptures , occurence of terrorism have been remarkedly reduced in virtually all religion as compare to old time but not so with Islam.....from my research i find that only muslims become more violent as they become more religious !
Let me throw you some questions in regards to your research:
1) Did you consider serial killers as an act of terrorism? If not, why not?
2) It is easy to blame any religion for any bad thing that has happened. But have you considered other factors that can contribute to the act of the terrorism itself? Like poor economical condition, oppression by other countries, mentally-illed, etc?
3) If religion is the factor like what you said, have you studied the teaching of the said religion, in this case Al-Quran. Is there any verse that ask the followers specifically to kill innocent people?
4) occurence of terrorism have been remarkedly reduced in virtually all religion as compare to old time but not so with Islam
Your statement suggest that there are certain acceptable level of terrorism. Why is that? In Islam it is very clear, killing innocent people are sin.
5) from my research i find that only muslims become more violent as they become more religious
Does your research include good muslims. What are the percentage of these bad muslims against good muslims?
wkk5159:
Most Wanted Terrorrists likeHAKIMULLAH MEHSUD, IBRAHIM SALIH MOHAMMED AL-YACOUB, ABD AL AZIZ AWDA,OMAR SHAFIK HAMMAMI, RAMADAN ABDULLAH MOHAMMAD SHALLAH,ABDULLAH AHMED ABDULLAH,ISNILON TOTONI HAPILON and HASSAN IZZ AL-DIN. Do you sncerely think that your knowledge of Islam is greater than them ????? Even if you think otherwise, do you think that majority if Islamic world are agreeable with you ??
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wkk5159 posted on 27-4-2013 02:27 PM
Saya tak perlu pandang jauh dan saya telah mendapati post kamu ini penuh dengan dusta dan perbohon ... Lain kali rujuklah sumber yang sahih dan jitu sebelum berhujah di sini. 
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wkk5159 posted on 27-4-2013 02:27 PM
Saya tak perlu pandang jauh dan saya telah mendapati post kamu ini penuh dengan dusta dan perbohon ... Pernahkah dalam sejarah Kristian, penganutnya memerangi musuhnya dengan kekasaran dan keganasan ???( tidak sehingga abad ke-11 di mana Crusaders di bawah gereja Katolik yang jelasnya membelakangi ajaran Isa sebenar !).
Kalau nak berbohong pun kena buat sedikit penyelidikan dan pencarian dulu lah pakcik Beachboy. Petikan di atas adalah bahan lawak untuk sesiapa yang mempunyai walaupun secubit pengetahuan sejarah gereja.....Paul atau Saul of Tarsus adalah seorang Pharisees atau rabbi dalam agama Yahudi, kedudukannya dalam masyarakat ketika itu adalah begitu disanjung tinggi. Pada satu misi ke Damascus, Syria, beliau telah didatangi oleh Isa (selepas crucifiction and resurrection) (Act 9:3-8).
Paul adalah seorang penguasa agama Yahudi dan dia adalah seorang yang dipertanggungjawabkan oleh pihak berkuasa Yahudi dibawah pemerintahan Rom ketika itu untuk menindas umat Kristian sehinggalah Isa menunjukkan keajaiban(miracle) yang mengubah nasibnya.....Bayangkan seorang Rabbi Yahudi yang mempunyai segala-galanya, kuasa, duit dan reputasi....tetapi dia sanggup melepaskan semua ini semata-mata untuk menyebarkan Gospel ( Berita Baik) Isa ??? Kamu rasa logikkah ??? Apa kesudahannya akibat menerima petunjuk Isa dan menyebarkan Gospel Isa ??? Beliau mati syahid dipancung kepala pada AD67 !
Kalau dia betul betul nak menyebarkan versi Kristian ala Pauline, dia boleh berbuat demikian dengan terus menggunakan kekerasan seperti yang dilakukan olehnya sebelum menjadi seorang Kristian iaitu seorang Rabbi yang berkuasa, kan ini akan melindungi dia daripada bertukar menjadi seorang yang menindas dan menjadi seorang yang ditindas ! Bodohkan ?
Apa yang menyebabkan beliau meninggalkan segala kebendaan duniaan hanya untuk menyebar Gospel Isa, apa ganjaran menyebar Gospel Isa pada abad 1 AD ??? Ditindas sehingga mati !
Dia juga boleh mengelar agama ciptaannya Paulinian daripada menamakannya Kristian, kan ? Pakailah neuron kurniaan Tuhan !
Pada zaman kaisar Rom,Nero, kota Rom telah dilanda dengan kebakaran besar yang telah memusnahkan tiga perempat dari kota itu.Nero menuduh orang kristian sebagai sebab kebakaran itu berlaku.
Satu arahan telah dikeluarkan supaya semua orang kristian ditangkap dan dibunuh......so,agak2 ko la apa perasaan paul melihat bangsa dia dibunuh.memang tidak mustahil paul menyebarkan ajaran nabi isa setelah melihat sendiri bangsanya dibunuh oleh pemerintah roman.masalahnya kat sini,dalam bentuk apa paul menyebarkan ajaran nabi Isa AS??????????????????????
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cmf_BeachBoys posted on 26-4-2013 08:50 PM
ko jawab dari No.6 hingga No.10.....1~5 aku dah reply
ok
sorry aku dah ketinggalan ya
aku akan cuba jawab berlandaskan logik akal
dan tidak berpandukan kepada kitab semata2
tq
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orangbesi posted on 28-4-2013 12:20 AM
sambil2 sembang bab terrorist ni
aku nak tanya sikit yeeee siapa atau negara mana yg buat persenjataan besar2an ya
kenapa perlu semua itu ya?????
kalau lah amerika dahulu menyerang vietnam......adakah dipanggil terrorist gak???
dulu dulu englang n sekutunya invaded hampir semua jajahan di asia...kira apa pulak tu yaaa???
Aman dan damai dgn ni...
Lebih 7 billion yg ada? Berasap...
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orangbesi posted on 28-4-2013 12:20 AM
sambil2 sembang bab terrorist ni
aku nak tanya sikit yeeee
You fail badly even in differentiating between war and terrorism act.
Virtually all wars fought in modern era were clash between different political ideology, rise of imperialism, nationalism and etc. Take the example you quoted; Vietnam War, it is a war between two different ideologies; capitalism and communism.
I can even take a bigger example in the form of World War 2; it was fought between the "benign" Alliance and "evil" Axis. These wars were not fought in the name of religion and the countries involved in these wars certainly didn't claim that they were fighting a Holy war !
Unlike terrrorism acts by muslim terrorists, from Sept 911 to Bali Bombing to Boston Bombing, it is the terrorism acts committed in the name of Islam and perpetrated by those who are really well versed in Quran and very devouted muslims.
It is obvious that you don't even understand your religion or simply you are in a DENIAL STATE just like the mother of the Boston Marathon Bombing's Suspect.
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mashimaru83 posted on 27-4-2013 04:58 PM
To me terrorist is an act of murders which involve innocent people. It is known that murders hap ...
All terrorism acts are loathed, either it is committed by muslims or non-muslims.
But the unanswered question here is Why only Islamic terrorists like to carry out their terrorism acts in the name of Islam ????
Unlike other form of terrorism acts committed, like the one your bretherens like to quote, Basque and French Separatists, this so called "terrorists" never carry out their terrorism acts (even this are verr rare and very localised !) in the name of their adopted religion !
Can muslim think fairly ??? Obviously not !
The more apologetic muslims like you try to defend these despicable terrorism acts by muslim on innocent civilians, the more people like me will feel offended as you do not sincerely try to address the severity of the problem but instead you vehemently arguing with irrelevant points. This is sick !
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wkk5159 posted on 29-4-2013 05:09 PM
All terrorism acts are loathed, either it is committed by muslims or non-muslims.
But the unan ... wkk5159:
But the unanswered question here is Why only Islamic terrorists like to carry out their terrorism acts in the name of Islam ????
Unlike other form of terrorism acts committed, like the one your bretherens like to quote, Basque and French Separatists, this so called "terrorists" never carry out their terrorism acts (even this are verr rare and very localised !) in the name of their adopted religion !
Can muslim think fairly ??? Obviously not !
Can you think fairly now?
wkk5159:
The more apologetic muslims like you try to defend these despicable terrorism acts by muslim on innocent civilians, the more people like me will feel offended as you do not sincerely try to address the severity of the problem but instead you vehemently arguing with irrelevant points. This is sick !
Again, you failed to understand my main question. I have stated clearly in my post #306: In Islam it is very clear, killing innocent people are sin. Which part of it is me trying to defend the terrorism acts?
My main question is always... why do you and @Truth.8 like to cherry-pick against Islam?
Last edited by mashimaru83 on 29-4-2013 08:51 PM
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mashimaru83 posted on 29-4-2013 08:48 PM
Refer to the Crusades. If I live in that era, I can ask the same question "Why only Christian terr ...
It's not a matter of cherry picking, like usual you have missed my point completely. What did i say in my thread on terrorism ??? Mark my word this time ! I said why in 21st century there is still a religion commit terrorism in the name of their god ??? No other religion except Islam !
You are the one who is cherry picking on ancient cases of Catholic crusade which i have explained repeatedly the real motives behind this crusade and yet like all other muslims you are pseudodyslexia when i'm telling the truths and facts . If i really want to quote the ancient cases of atrocity committed by other religion, i can easily quote countless of atrocity committed by muslims too, would it be any less cruel and violent ?? Especially those committed by your own prophet Muhammad ???
Bear in mind the crusade is bot Biblical at all, can you find any verse in Bible which tells Christians to spread religion with swords ?? None !
On the contrary, terrorism via jihad is deeply embedded in Islam, do you even know your own Quran or Hadith or not ???
Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Qur'an:8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."
Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"
So, What kind of muslim are you ? It appears to me that you are just a nominal muslim who don't know your own scripture !
You said; In Islam it is very clear, killing innocent people are sin. Which part of it is me trying to defend the terrorism acts?
Seriously ?? If that's the case, your prophet Muhammad must the biggest sinner in the world since he killed zillions of people when spreading the teaching of Islam ! Again, do you even know your own Quran and Hadith ??
Obviously, you are just another typical delusional muslim with no trace of conscience at all !
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Dzulqarnain posted on 30-4-2013 02:59 AM
Both are massacres even if you badly die² denying it!
Ideologies is something that you ca ...
Typical imbecilic muslim who can't differentiate between war and terrorism act !
Worse still can't even tell the difference between waging a war in the name of religion and waging a war in the name if imperialism !
Like i said before, being a muslim is the most pathetic thing one can imagine happening to a person.
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orangbesi posted on 30-4-2013 02:07 PM
You fail badly even in differentiating between war and terrorism act.
heheh...ada beza ke bro!!! ...
@perangsuci1 ke?
Last edited by Dzulqarnain on 30-4-2013 04:34 PM
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