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Do not take on Singapore armour in head-on clash. Or rather avoid a head-on clash with the SAF.
belacan79 Post at 13-6-2010 20:43 
i bet there will be no head-on clash whatsoever..
(attacks from the flank and rear excluded  )
and all those tanks will be scrapped bila sampai masanya..
just like amx-13, and the winner is.. syarikat besi buruk.. |
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Reply 330# spiderweb6969
sekarang punya tank design philosophy, turret punya wall tu tegak je ke? bukannya pipih and slanted macam merkava? kan ke senang nak penetrate kalau tegak macam tu? |
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Reply 341# lkick2113
yer kah? Maksud saya perbandingan di antara leopard 2sg dan Aussie tank akan menunjukan bahawa Leo 2SG lebih kuat. Lebih lebih lagi jikalau tank Leo2SG dilengkapi dengan AMAP-ADS atau Trophy/Iron-Fist. Entahlah, itu perspektif saya. Orang lain di rantau dan negara lain pasti tetap mengangap tank mereka lebih kuat. Jangan tersinggung yer. aku jugak yang tanggung nanti. hehehe |
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Reply 342# d'zeck
The front part is actually diagonally slanted.Plus the front part may be equipped with AMAP-ADS additionally.
As for the sides, you do realise how thick the add on armour is. This is on top of the original Leo 2a4 armour. There might not even be a necessity. It looks thicker than the Abrams and Challenger 2s. definitely thicker than the lerlerc. It looks like the SAF just slapped large rectangular rocks on the side of the turret. Anyway, the armour is modular.
It may look different in actual combat with more active-defense add-ons like the AMAP-ADS. |
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wow........
AMX-13 mari hibahkan kat indonesia. Biar semua senang. SG senang sebab indonesia hanya punya tank tua jadi tak perlu khawatir kena serang. Indonesia senang sebab tak perlu beli.... .
Win-win solution lah tu...... |
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Reply 347# @hli
Indonesia already operates Amx-13. They are still good for fire support actions with its 75mm cannon which is good enough to take out any IFV/APC in the region. But like i said, it seems that our AMX-13 tanks will be scrapped when retired from service. |
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Reply 348# belacan79
credit:gary1910
Wonder what those antennas are for? network-centric purposes i guess.
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Post Last Edit by belacan79 at 15-6-2010 11:39
Incredible video scoop on upgraded SG Leo 2 tank dan latihan armour column untuk hari kebangsaan sg 2010. Punyer la lawar. Tolong hormati poster video yang susah payah mengambil video itu untuk pengatahuan semua. terima kasih.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvH47ulDNAM
Best watched in high definition 720p mode from the you-tube site. |
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Reply 350# belacan79
Rupernyer Leo2 EVO sekarang dipanggil Leo 2 Revolution due to collaboration di antara IBD dan Rheinmetall. Nampaknyer Singapore's upgraded Leo 2 aderlah adalah satu versi Leo 2 Revolution with SAF's own additions of course like our own Battlefield Management System. Anyway, specs Leo 2 Revolution is just out of this world. This is a killer tank.
Read all about it here; http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?fid=5371&lang=3 |
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Reply 351# belacan79
SG is the 1st country la buat mcm ni ek??? |
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Post Last Edit by belacan79 at 18-6-2010 12:55
There are essentially 2 organizations which offer upgrades to Leo 2 tanks. Krauss-Maffei Wegmanns(KMW) and Rheinmetall-IBD. KMW has been offering upgrades for some time resulting in the Leo 2A5/2A6 and now Leo 2A7 varients. These tanks are noted distinctively by the wedge shaped frontal turret armour.
Leo 2A5 pic
Rheinmetall-IBD is relatively new and thier upgrade is called Leo Revolution which was originally called Leo Evolution(under IBD alone) but now comes with more bells and whistles with the involvement of Rheinmetall. Singapore's varient is almost certainly derived from the Leo Revolution.
Singapore's Leo 2 Revolution
So, what`s the difference?
From visual differences, it seems that KMW's upgrade is meant for good overall protection. While Rheinmetall-IBD's upgrade is more geared towards urban warfare in addition to good overall protection. The other thing to note is that the Leo Revolution seems more network-centric so it fits right into Singapore's net-work centric battle systems.
So Singapore made the right choice in selecting a tank which is useful for the kind of combat scenarios it will be facing. |
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Reply 353# belacan79
It is obvious that Singapore has dynamic planners who constantly monitor conflicts around the world and learn and make neccessary changes/improvements. In the present case, tanks could use better protection for urban warfare. |
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[QUOTE=XaberXV-25,Jun 19 2010, 06:20 PM] [QUOTE=southpark,Jun 16 2010, 10:19 PM][QUOTE=Joe Black,Jun 16 2010, 10:08 PM] @Southpark, you are saying that because the lifting lug on the turret is so apparent, there is no top armour? [/QUOTE]
Bingo!!!
Sidenote: Notice that SG Leopard is slightly different from the package offered by Rheinmetall. In particular the independent thermal sight.
- Either we did not get the full package (incl. new thermal sight, digital systems, etc) but only the add-on armor; or
- The transformation of our Leopards are not fully completed yet, hence no top add-on armor[/QUOTE]
A more clearer view of the top armour of both versions of leopard 2.
 [/QUOTE] |
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Post Last Edit by belacan79 at 19-6-2010 23:52
Reply 355# spiderweb6969
The armour set is actually modular and can be attached and detached. This includes the top turret roof armour add-on. But that armour is meant to deal more with sharpnel, grenades, etc. Eventually, the original turret roof armour will the main armour to stop a top-attack.
However, the best top turret roof defence is actually active defense systems like Trophy, Iron-Fist, AMAP-ADS. In fact, I do not see the need of a modular roof armour if you are already using such active defense systems. ;)
Unless the SAF declares it officially, it is hard to know in detail the internal upgrades. Among other declared upgrades, it is officially known as it is declared by the Chief of army is that the firing systems will be changed/upgraded. It is also officially known that Singapore Leo 2s will be network centric and using Singapore's Battlefield Management System. So, we already know that a high level of digitization is involved.
SAF does not need and will never show all her cards. It is SAF's way. |
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Post time 14-6-2010 01:09 PM
The message is clear. Do not take on Singapore armour in head-on clash. Or rather avoid a head-on clash with the SAF.
