Penipuan Darwin

kar

beza harun yahya ngan darwin, dia x kemuka teori tapi sekadar menterjemahkan kitab al-quran. jadi x boleh nak salahkan dia sbb bukannye dia yg tulih kitab tu, darwin pulak mmg bertanggungjawab sepenuhnya terhadap teori dia. tu pasal la topik ni pakai title penipuan darwin

totally

sapa yg mengaku keturunan beruk tu malu la sket...aku keturunan adam as...

ps...syarul...ko ngaku teori darwin tu btul...ko ni keturunan ape?

[ Last edited by  totally at 23-6-2007 02:07 AM ]

ijad_adiputera

korg pkir 1 jerk la....
kalo betul la manusia ni dri keturunan monyet, kera, mawas, beruk & sewaktu dgnnya...
kenapa makhluk2 ni masih wujud smpai skrg?
makhluk2 ni x berevolusi jadi manusia ke?
adehhhh.... x masuk dek akal la weiiii!!!

p/s: aku keturunan adam & hawa, bukan monyet atau kera.... :@:@:@

prototaip

ya betul tu:
kenapa hanya manusia je yang ada akal untuk bercakap,menulis,menyanyi,buat bangunan,bina tamadun?

jika teori darwin adalah betul,kita akan ada bangsa manusia,bangsa ayam,bangsa beruang,bangsa itik dan lain2 yang sama2 boleh berkomunikasi,bekerja,berbincang dan lain2 lagi aktiviti bertamadun...

Claudia_Lestat

What Darwin did, and here resides his merit, was expanding and concreting this already existent theory. And he did it in a very successful way, one must concede. My problem with Darwin being, his absolute lack of credit to those that preceded him in "his" theory (if I am mistaken and he did give them credit, please let me know). This misinformation has been carried on for centuries to this day, and remains mostly unrevealed, as has been proved.

Evolution does not negate the possibility of a Creator at all. This can be easily demonstrated philosophically.

Believe it or not, evolution was born in theism (muslim), and its current association with atheism is merely the consequence of Christian obscurity, which does not include per se other religions' view on the matter, although is currently tainting them.

In other order of things, the reborn of Christian Creationism is yet another sign of the stage of decline in which what has been called "western civilization" stays nowadays. Just as it happened with "Muslim civilization" so long ago.

http://azer.com/aiweb/categories ... ticles/92_tusi.html

[size=-1]Nasiraddin Tusi (also      known as Nasir ad-Din Tusi) was born in 1201 in Tus, Khorasan,      in what is now Iran. As a scientist and all-around genius, he      is known for many things: founding an observatory in Maragha      (the ancient cultural center situated in Maragha which is east      of Tabriz in present-day Iran), interpreting and developing the      mathematics of Euclid, predicting the existence of land west      of the Atlantic Ocean as well as writing more than 80 influential      books in Arabic and Persian about astronomy, geometry, geography,      physics, law, history, medicine, philosophy, logic and ethics.      Today he is highly revered and honored in Azerbaijan, and several      education institutions are named after him, including the Tusi      Pedagogical Institute in Baku.

      What few people know, however, is that Tusi also developed a      basic theory of evolution - more than 600 years before Charles      Darwin.

[size=-1]      Tusi used their works as the basis for a chapter of "Akhlag      Nasiri", foreshadowing the theories of European scientists      like Jean-Baptiste de Lamarck (1744-1829) and Charles Darwin      (1809-1882).

      There are some key differences between Tusi's approach and Darwin's      "The Origin of Species". While Darwin used deductive      reasoning, gathering samples of plants and animals to work his      way from facts to a theory, Tusi used a more theoretical approach.      Muslim scholars like Tusi relied on inductive reasoning, moving      from theory to facts, instead of the other way around. He developed      a theory and then explained the facts on the basis of this theory.      When he wrote about evolution (he called it "perfection")      as a theory, he therefore didn't dwell on the details. For instance,      he didn't write specifically about natural selection or the struggle      for existence. In modern terms, he was more of a philosopher      than a scientist.

[size=-1]      While this reasoning may seem backward to today's Western mind,      some of Tusi's theories did have merit. For instance, Tusi believed      that a body of matter is able to change, but is not able to entirely      disappear. He wrote: "A body of matter cannot disappear      completely. It only changes its form, condition, composition,      color and other properties and turns into a different complex      or elementary matter." His views were similar to those of      the ancient Greek philosopher Heraclitus (530-470 BC).
[size=-1]Tusi believed that the world once consisted of similar elements.      He wrote: "They were equal and similar to each other. None      of them had an advantage over the others, because all of these      particles consisted of common primary matter."

      From the modern point of view, it is possible to identify Tusi's      primary particles as atoms or elementary particles. According      to Tusi, in this first stage, all of the particles were similar      and immobile. Later, internal contradictions gradually appeared      inside this static world. Tusi wrote: "As a result, the      balance was damaged, and the essential contrasts began to appear      inside this early world. Therefore, some substances began to      develop faster and better than others."

      Tusi said that primary matter was the first link of the evolutionary      chain. The four elements of Nature (fire, water, air and ground)      were derived from this primary matter. In turn, minerals came      from elements, plants from minerals, animals from plants, and      humans from animals.

[size=-1]      Tusi explained that hereditary variability was the leading force      of evolution. He wrote that all living organisms were able to      change and that the animate organisms developed owing to their      hereditary variability: "The organisms that can gain the      new features faster are more variable. As a result, they gain      advantages over other creatures." This sounds remarkably      like a simplistic form of Darwin's writings about mutations.

      Why do these bodies of matter change? Tusi was right when he      suggested: "The bodies are changing as a result of the internal      and external interactions" - that is, as a result of environmental      influences.

      According to Tusi, substances compete with each other, so some      of them have reached a higher level than others. Some bodies      do not develop at all. Therefore, there are different levels      of development in Nature.

[size=-1]      Tusi noticed that organisms have unique ways of surviving. If      an organism's structure corresponds to the environment, he said,      that organism is perfect. He believed that all animals and plants      in the world were perfect, because they all have the properties      that are necessary to survive. Tusi wrote: "Look at the      world of animals and birds. They have all that is necessary for      defense, protection and daily life, including strengths, courage      and appropriate tools [organs]".

[size=-1]Tusi believed that humans were derived from advanced animals.      He wrote about the different transition forms between the human      and animal world, saying: "Such humans [probably anthropoid      apes] live in the Western Sudan and other distant corners of      the world. They are close to animals by their habits, deeds and      behavior."

      Tusi said that humans are related to all living and inanimate      creatures of Nature: "The human has features that distinguish      him from other creatures, but he has other features that unite      him with the animal world, vegetable kingdom or even with the      inanimate bodies."

      As to the differences, Tusi wrote that humans are not only biological,      but also social beings: "Before [the creation of humans],      all differences between organisms were of the natural origin.      The next step will be associated with spiritual perfection, will,      observation and knowledge."

      According to Tusi, humans are distinct from animals because they      are able to make professional tools (instruments). In conclusion,      Tusi wrote: "All these facts prove that the human being      is placed on the middle step of the evolutionary stairway. According      to his inherent nature, the human is related to the lower beings,      and only with the help of his will can he reach the higher development      level."

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      So why isn't Tusi widely known for developing the theory of evolution?      It isn't just because he was from the East and wrote in Persian.      Tusi's theory is based on philosophy and Islam. He believed that      God created the world, and that after creation occurred, the      world developed on its own, while God supervises and guides this      process.

      As a result, Eastern scientists who are familiar with Tusi's      views about the perfection of the world have tended to interpret      them from a religious or philosophical point of view. Many Muslims      don't agree with the theory of evolution, just as some Christians      don't, because it contradicts official theology. Although Tusi      points at some of the same principles that Darwin developed,      Eastern scientists consider Tusi's views as an allegory about      the perfection of the human soul璶ot as naturalistic theory.

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[ Last edited by  Claudia_Lestat at 23-6-2007 12:28 PM ]

totally

Originally posted by Syarul at 21-6-2007 11:52 AM
Ada kebenaran dlm teori Darwin tentang manusia;

       Yang dipersoalkannya adalah tahap pemikiran manusia itu sendiri. Contoh terbaik jika kita letak satu larva lipas dlm satu balang kaca dan ...

mane ko syarul? name cam muslim dah tp ngaku teori darwin aka keturunan beruk...

nape ko merendahkan tahap pemikiran ko smpi sanggup mengaku keturunan beruk ni?

x malu langsung..

johnconan

Originally posted by Syarul at 21-6-2007 11:52 AM
Ada kebenaran dlm teori Darwin tentang manusia;

       Yang dipersoalkannya adalah tahap pemikiran manusia itu sendiri. Contoh terbaik jika kita letak satu larva lipas dlm satu balang kaca dan ...

pendapat yg bagus, x macam forumer lain tahu condemn teori evolusi tapi x tahu apekemende diorang tengah cakap...

johnconan

Originally posted by St.Yeepi at 23-6-2007 01:03 AM
Mana satu yang patut dihormati, seseorang yang menghabisi masa bertahun tahun untuk mempelajari sesuatu benda, atau seseorang yang cuma membaca tanpa mahu berusaha memahami secara terperinci.

...

nice jugak...

St.Yeepi

Originally posted by kar at 23-6-2007 01:31
beza harun yahya ngan darwin, dia x kemuka teori tapi sekadar menterjemahkan kitab al-quran. jadi x boleh nak salahkan dia sbb bukannye dia yg tulih kitab tu, darwin pulak mmg bertanggungjawab se ...

Dan bagaimana dengan pendapat creationisme, apakah ia berdiri dengan bukti yang kukuh? Darwin membuat kajian melalui pendekatan science, sudah setentunya ianya berlawanan dengan pendekatan keagamaan.

Jika Harun Yahya tidak boleh dipersalahkan kerana  menterjemah, mengapa kita nak salahkan Darwin yang membuat theori evolusi mengikut aliran pemikiran beliau?

totally

ape yg bagus nye johnconan...kalau ko ngaku teori darwin tentang evolusi tu betul maknanye ko ni berevolusi dr monyet la ni....patutla jd camni...betul ke x betul?

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by johnconan at 24-6-2007 02:00 PM
pendapat yg bagus, x macam forumer lain tahu condemn teori evolusi tapi x tahu apekemende diorang tengah cakap...

Harun Lagi?? this fella opinion is biased.. anything but Islam is all wrong....

john join here if you wish

http://forum3.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=280840&extra=page%3D1

dCrook

Like i said earlier, this theory can make u laugh and think.. Macam mana kehidupan boleh wujud di bumi ? it is quite difficult for me to accept that life started from a simple amino acid. if that is true, then we ourselves can create another life. Thats why i believe in soul bebeh! Soul differentiate u from each other ...and DNA .

Hmmm..maybe,maybe life started from a simple amino acid.. but granted a soul by a greater being.. .

jkkkj

Entah-entah si Yahudi sekor nama Darwin ni kot yang keturunan beruk.Sebab tu dia keluarkan teori cempedak macam tu.

prototaip

harap-harap aku boleh masuk akashic record!
aku teringin nak tau mana yang betul....sama ada teori adam atau teori darwin....:@
buat masa ni aku yakin teori adam...
dan aku masih percayakan islam sebab aku dah menyaksikan perkara2 ghaib yang selari dengan islam..aku bukannya bermaksud nak tolak kepercayaan bukan islam,tetapi jika anda betul2 berusaha untuk mencari kebenaran atau niat yang lain,anda boleh!

aku mengucapkan terima kasih kepada johnconan kerana memperkenalkan ilmu astral travel.semenjak aku dapat astral ini,kepercayaan aku terhadap islam dah kuat macam  batu permata pula...

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by dCrook at 30-6-2007 11:49 AM
Like i said earlier, this theory can make u laugh and think.. Macam mana kehidupan boleh wujud di bumi ? it is quite difficult for me to accept that life started from a simple amino acid. if that ...

You are wrong... I went to Lanzarote recently.... I went to the volcanic national park...

the Lanzarote Island appeared from the sea about 30 million years ago from volcano eruption.

till today......... Life is still evolving there....

known as Lichens..... out of no where... life appeared....You want to say this is the work of God?

Lichens are unusual creatures. A lichen is not a single organism theway most other living things are, but rather it is a combination of twoorganisms which live together intimately. Most of the lichen iscomposed of fungal filaments, but living among the filaments are algal cells, usually from a green alga or a cyanobacterium.In many cases the fungus and the alga which together make the lichenmay each be found living in nature without its partner, but many otherlichens include a fungus which cannot survive on its own -- it hasbecome dependent on its algal partner for survival. In all casesthough, the appearance of the fungus in the lichen is quite differentfrom its morphology as a separately growing individual.

dCrook

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 30-6-2007 08:56 PM


You are wrong... I went to Lanzarote recently.... I went to the volcanic national park...

the Lanzarote Island appeared from the sea about 30 million years ago from volcano eruption.

...

Easy la,those Lichens got there by air accidently, thanks to the birds.. A lot of things such as  plants use bird to piggy back around the world.. Even diseases travels by air nowadays.. bird flu anybody ?

dCrook

Originally posted by jkkkj at 30-6-2007 08:00 PM
Entah-entah si Yahudi sekor nama Darwin ni kot yang keturunan beruk.Sebab tu dia keluarkan teori cempedak macam tu.

Darwin tu kristian protestant.. even his discoverytu funded by Church if i'm not mistaken tapi last-last diorang yang tolak mentah2 idea tuh..tu la, sape sroh biaye hahahahahaha

johnconan

Originally posted by totally at 29-6-2007 11:44 PM
ape yg bagus nye johnconan...kalau ko ngaku teori darwin tentang evolusi tu betul maknanye ko ni berevolusi dr monyet la ni....patutla jd camni...betul ke x betul?

nak tanya lah pasal apa fizikal manusia sama cam beruk/ape? Terutamanya kedudukan kelenjar susu sama. Apasal x macam kucing ke, atau kenapa manusia fizikalnya sama ngan haiwan mamalia? Kenapa x cam fizikal ular ke, manusia yg bertelur ke?

Manusia bukanlah bentuk kewujudan sebenar kita, dan kita adalah hidupan berasaskan karbon. Alam semeta ini amat2 luas, tenunya adalah hidupan yg bukan dalam bentuk karbon. Mungkin ada hidupan yg berasaskan selain karbon.

so kenapalah susah sangat nak terima manusia berevolusi, manusia bukan kewujudan sebenar kita...

johnconan

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 30-6-2007 06:37 AM


Harun Lagi?? this fella opinion is biased.. anything but Islam is all wrong....

john join here if you wish

http://forum3.cari.com.my/viewth ... &extra=page%3D1

saya ada join, sekali sekala je lah...

johnconan

Originally posted by dCrook at 30-6-2007 11:49 AM
Like i said earlier, this theory can make u laugh and think.. Macam mana kehidupan boleh wujud di bumi ? it is quite difficult for me to accept that life started from a simple amino acid. if that ...

selagi kamu menganggap kewujudan sebenar kamu adalah manusia, selagi tu lah kamu adalah akan terus camni. Ya, soul lagi hebat, sebab itulah kewujudan sebenar kita adalah soul atau Oveself (namakan apa saje), manusia hanya lah bagaikan pakaian yg akan diguna semasa di alam fizikal.