kebenaran itu menyakitkan

thamrong · Post time 29-7-2007 09:48 PM

Good one:flower:

hamizao · Post time 29-7-2007 11:48 PM

It all depends on the subject matter really and the occassion. But under more serious circumstance I would think a lot more truth would be expected. It's a society thing. Most of the time people think of saving face ....sure there is a time and place to impart hurtful info but it doesen't mean that you should lie either.

Show all posts · Post time 1-8-2007 05:07 PM

kebenaran tu ada lah hakikat, hmm the real picture....that we are suppose to see
tu yang org selalu takut nak tengok and explore
bila dah terpaksa jugak tak boleh lari then tu lah sakit

sri_pagi · Post time 30-8-2007 02:46 PM

kebenaran mmg myakitkan tp kite lg sakit
kalo tau kite dtipu........
so biarlh kite tau kebenaran tu wlpn myakitkan dari kite dtipu
kerana die nak myembunyikan kbnaran tu........

ajinomotonosuga · Post time 30-8-2007 03:20 PM

Originally posted by redsinner at 24-7-2007 07:02 PM
hari ni aku belajar satu bende....

manusia memerlukan a sense of edge for them to hold on so that they'd feel belonged and secured.
so dgn statement ini aku conclude:

manusia akan selalu j ...

it is because of the constraints applied naturally by any condition ( read reality)

reality is a 'fixed' law, per se, according to, must be seeked to know and understand and work WITH IT, not against it , either trying to dominate it or subservient to it (reality)

non reality (read the mind, fantasy, desire etc) on the other hand is non fixed law, law unto itself which has no limit

so to bring it forth , or to manifest the non reality becoming reality is meant by realising dream.

what hold everything is the dream, what is happening is reality. dream and reality, a master with an apprentice. this is life.

journey7148 · Post time 30-8-2007 09:16 PM

Menyakitkan atau tidak - it all depends on how we look at it. Kebenaran adalah hakikat. Kebenaran menjadi pahit apabila kita tidak dapat menerima keseluruhannya. Adakalanya penerimaan kebenaran memerlukan masa.

Mansairaku · Post time 30-8-2007 11:26 PM

saw a colleague's hubby gi dating dgn a young lady once ..
but i didnt say anything to my colleague ..
she was having problems dlm her marriage ..
i didnt want to make matters worse ..

went out with a guy once ..
but a friend saw he was dating someone else at the same time ..
was thankful to my friend,
stopped going out with him immediately after ..

was i contradicting myself?
i still think there is a difference between "dating" and "married"
if i'm married, i'm not sure if i wanna know ...
but then, maybe it's better for me to know?
maybe the difference lies in how much i love him and how much i love myself?

(me-reprimanding-meself)
"stop thinking too much .."
"cross your bridges only when you come across them"

[ Last edited by Mansairaku at 30-8-2007 11:28 PM ]

my-alja · Post time 3-9-2007 12:11 AM

Originally posted by journey7148 at 30-8-2007 09:16 PM
Menyakitkan atau tidak - it all depends on how we look at it. Kebenaran adalah hakikat. Kebenaran menjadi pahit apabila kita tidak dapat menerima keseluruhannya. Adakalanya penerimaan kebenara ...

bagus nie

my-alja · Post time 3-9-2007 12:14 AM

gud one too

hamizao · Post time 3-9-2007 12:29 AM

Originally posted by hamizao at 29-7-2007 11:48 PM
....... It's a society thing. Most of the time people ...

When the general principle of society is to always "jaga hati orang".....I figure there would be less truthfullness around. Diorang akan cerita perkara yang baik2 aje. Pada keseluruhannya cara ini tidak akan menolong membina kekuatan dan ketabahan seseorang. Malah mungkin akan melalaikan sahaja sebab pada mereka semuanya berjalan dgn baik dan lancar.

Personally, I think, until you learn to accept or acknowledge the truth, you will be living in denial..........In accepting truth you may make better preparations and plans to perhaps change the natural course of events.

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Agul · Post time 4-9-2007 07:04 PM

Sometime these people do not want to know the truth. They really don't. us, telling them might be unacceoptable to them. They may hate you for this.

Do you still want to say the truth?

On a humorous note...

Hello boss, you look like sh** today. Of course, you never look good but today you look particularly bad. Ugly, even.牋We sometome wonder if you force your wife to marry you. I mean you may be rich and all but we can't fathom anyone will be able to stand the look of you in the day or night. Ugh.. I got to go now. have to do some work... which I don't really like to do... I'll make it like I'm really doing it properly, which i don't as I have this forum cari, which I always go, but you think I am working.... bla, bla,bla...

牋

when a child give you a painting, and it clearly is terrible, not ptetty at all, what will you say?

hamizao · Post time 4-9-2007 10:51 PM

You brought up two interesting points.............communication with an adult and communication with a child. They are kind of different.

For the child, what is your expectation of him at that age? So?

For the boss if it's a God given thing that he has no way to change, for sure you know that he knows it. There is nothing more to say unless he asks you. However there are still ways in communicating even the worst of information. Kena belajar nih...........

ajinomotonosuga · Post time 5-9-2007 03:45 AM

Originally posted by Agul at 4-9-2007 07:04 PM
Sometime these people do not want to know the truth. They really don't. us, telling them might be unacceoptable to them. They may hate you for this.

Do you still want to say the truth?

On a ...

is that a truth or OPINION seseoang?

to other maybe muke look #ty but to the person, he always look handsome hihihihi

what is the truth?

ajinomotonosuga · Post time 5-9-2007 03:47 AM

Originally posted by hamizao at 3-9-2007 12:29 AM

When the general principle of society is to always "jaga hati orang".....I figure there would be less truthfullness around. Diorang akan cerita perkara yang baik2 aje. Pada keseluruhannya car ...

this give rise to ettiquette

this is also mengenai 'do not do other what u dont like others do to you' , macam oang islam, nabi pesan seseoang tu belum betui beriman sehingga dia cinta saudara dia macam dia cinta diri dia sendiri.

apa itu kebenaran?

ajinomotonosuga · Post time 5-9-2007 04:05 AM

Originally posted by journey7148 at 30-8-2007 09:16 PM
Menyakitkan atau tidak - it all depends on how we look at it. Kebenaran adalah hakikat. Kebenaran menjadi pahit apabila kita tidak dapat menerima keseluruhannya. Adakalanya penerimaan kebenara ...

setiap masa ada nyatanya sendiri, ada hak nya tersendiri

walau satu saat, walau satu perpuluhan saat.

tuhan kata demi masa manusia tu dalam rugi.

so disini kita boleh fikir, ada proses tapisan or ujian di kenakan walo satu saat , walo besor kuman sesuatu amal, walau satu denyut nafas, di amik kira di catit gak.

persoalan sakit sedap semua tu purely state of emotion, which being carried by the carrier. Pematangan dunia persekolahan emosi ni berkait rapat tuntutan ILMU atau saya lebih suka istilah nur.

nur itu kebenaran, tapi adakah setiap ilmu itu membawa pada nur, menghasilkan nur, mengerakan hati, menerangkan kegelapan , kejahilan?

saya lebih suka guna istilah TIDAK MEMAHAMI NYA, dari guna kata 'jadi pahit bila tidak dapat MENERIMAnya'

tahu dan faham, adalah 2 pekara berbeza

manusia adalah kejadian beremosi, berperasaan, ada perasaan, kata akar nya RASA, istilah sanskrit tuh

kalo kita selidik istilah english emotion, ianya seolah dari dua perkataan energy and motion, tenaga yang bergerak

tadak satu kejadian tuhan itu 'duduk diam', diam nya pun satu pergerakan yang mungkin mata kasar kita tak nampak, always in state of mobility, peribahasa mayu sebut diam ubi, diamnya makin berisi..i suke ubi rebus

so pahit manis seme ni tak penting to me..yang penting saya nak tau macam mana nak kenali sesuatu itu satu kebenaran? how do u prove it is the truth?

ramai maybe kata mati is truth whattt...everybody mati whattt..what more truth u want ?

saya tanya balik..kalo oang islam buleh cite pasal lepas mati, pasal akhirat..so what is so truthful pasal MATI? it is purely lompat satu kondisi pegi satu kondisi yang kita tak banyak tahu, itu saja.

so what need to be so sedih about it? haaaa why so banyak air mata?

berapa ramai sini tahu, ada culture or adat manusia tertentu dalam dunia ni, depa celebrate kalo ada sedare depa mati, sebab? sebab pada depa oang tu pi tempat lai bagus..seme2 seronok so depa tumpang happy..adaaa kalos apa kaji culture dunia lah ok?

so is it the truth, death must be accompanied by some sort of sadness, soulful looking..sedihhh nangis? this is cuma culture saja, something that HUMAN cultivate.

nabi wafat..masa nazak..mula2 anak dia fatimah sedih, kendian dia senyum.

terkejut tak?

so what is the truth?

Agul · Post time 5-9-2007 01:44 PM

Originally posted by ajinomotonosuga at 5-9-2007 03:45 AM

is that a truth or OPINION seseoang?

to other maybe muke look #ty but to the person, he always look handsome hihihihi

what is the truth?

Ahhh....

When we're talking about "THE" truth, then we have a big one to solve. Absolute truth. Do you posses it? Do I?
Or do we go the realm of personal truth? My truth vs your truth. Our perceived truth.
My personal truth could do a 180 degee turn from yours. It could be very different. Much diferent. Then who got the real one?
The one that have been to us since birth is THE truth? Or the one that has been fed to someone living in Alaska?

And, most people in the same environent have a generally similar ideas of beauty. Well, generally.

ajinomotonosuga · Post time 5-9-2007 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Agul at 5-9-2007 01:44 PM

Ahhh....

When we're talking about "THE" truth, then we have a big one to solve. Absolute truth. Do you posses it? Do I?
Or do we go the realm of personal truth? My truth vs your truth. Ou ...

'the' truth is the reality

every reality must have CONDITION/s

GOD is of course beyond reality , beyond anything mind can think of

the purpose of knowledge is to work with reality, working with seeking the workings of any conditions confining certain subject or object

i have this 'thought' but this is what the reality is (now, time sphere) and those are the conditions regarding the reality
so what shall i do with my thought regarding 'this truth'

being truth for the sake of truth, nothing but the truth

Agul · Post time 5-9-2007 06:59 PM

Originally posted by hamizao at 4-9-2007 10:51 PM
You brought up two interesting points.............communication with an adult and communication with a child. They are kind of different.

For the child, what is your expectation of him at that ...

For the child, just make him/her happy.燙ompliment爐hem. Take it as an expression of love. A beautiful expression of love that really needs certain way of appreciation to it. Like the high art. Then you don't really feel that you're lying anymore.

As you really feel that him/her expression of love爐o you is the most beutiful thing in the world.

For the boss, depend on the situation.

Agul · Post time 5-9-2007 07:07 PM

I like the "beyond reality" thing.

But as far as people's concern, it's always my view of truth, vs your version of truth. My perception of reality, vs your perception of reality.

I may have a pet theory, that I construe as the truth. It might be totally contarary to you. I may feel that I 'know' the truth. And you may feel that way too.

Objective reality vs subjective perception of reality is a deep subject. One that may merit a deep discussion.牋

What appears, may not be the truth.營t爉ay燼ppears燼燾ertain爓ay燽ut爐he爐ruth爉aybe燼燿ifferent爐hings燼ltogether.

ajinomotonosuga · Post time 6-9-2007 07:42 AM

the understanding of , truth = reality gives importance the subject of science, scientific methods etc.

in islamic civilisation, this is what being circulated in full circle till what history considered as the golden era of muslim civilisation

whatever in the mind, is brought to reality thru various methodologies, experiments, exhaustive research etc.

this understanding refrained us from trangession thinking or rationalising, for instance like Buddhism

the prophets proved everything by taking action, deeds.

during this process of reality or event happening human will counter feat or defeat

if human can prove that something like dinosours once existed and then extinct, why is so hard to prove that there is GOD?

living is reality, but GOD cannot be associated with living since everything has its anti thesis

GOD is not being, GOD is not something being sustained, these are all realities. We muslem reject the notion of supreme Being

bila benar datang, gugur batil.

truth is standing on its own merit.

it is not 'kebenaran' yang menyakitkan, it is the Being (human, kene jadi) maybe sakit or in need of englightenment sebab itu di uji dengan sakit or negative emotion. this is what muslem call jihad, or the struggle.

so what is the truth?
truth is reality, in which there existed pre determined or pre destined set of conditions where by Being (human) must understand (wajib tuntut ilmu) and works his or her way (jihad or struggle) to far reaching the HIGHER TRUTH or reality till beyond truth or reality that is amongs the Being that Allah redha or blessed