If 揾onesty is the best policy

redsinner

kalau dlm english kita kata HONESTY... i guess kalo dlm bahasa melayu kita ada kejujuran sebagai interpretation lebih tepat, bukannye kebenaran - TRUTH.

i guess in this context, kejujuran lebih kepada application secara ethical. kalo dlm hati tu takde kejahatan langsung, masakan boleh tergamak buat bende jahat. betul tak? oklah, tak sume org perfect at least bile kita buat keje kita akan try to justify ourselves ethically.

i guess anecdote paling simple ialah jaga hak jiran. kalau kita jujur, kita takkan mencuri pun buah2an dari pokok jiran kita sungguhpun telah menjangkau ke pagar rumah sendirik. kita akan cuba jaga hati dgn tunjukkan Courtesy utk bertanya tentang buah2an yg dah masuk pagar kita tuh.
stgh org pakai amek jer. "alah, dah masuk pagar kita, pagar kita punye lah!" tapi lebih baik utk bertanya kpd tuan empunya pokok dari membuat assumption. mana la tau, dia ada budget utk buat pie ker, kek buah2an ker...kita bukannye boleh baca fikiran jiran kita kan?

i learnt that being Honest is not about being lurus. being honest is about not making assumption about anyone or anything at all.

ussopp

Originally posted by redsinner at 21-7-2008 03:15 PM
kalau dlm english kita kata HONESTY... i guess kalo dlm bahasa melayu kita ada kejujuran sebagai interpretation lebih tepat, bukannye kebenaran - TRUTH.

i guess in this context, kejujuran lebi ...

agree

it will turn up just like that as honesty is the basic instict for any good deeds...

ussopp

aik.....

urm how can honesty and truth be a two different thing.....

may be truth is the tree and honesty is the leaves....

because, to be true , you must be honest...

and to be honest, you must be true.....haha.... ....pening2

lagipun seseorang yang bercakap tentang kebenaran( nabi Muhammad contohnya) baginda terlebih dahulu dikenali sebagai seorang yang jujur.........

dan tidak hairan juga seseorang yang jujur, dikenali kerana kebenarannya....

rasanya kejujuran dan kebenaran sangat berkait rapat.....@ tak bleh dipisahkan...

tanpa kejujuran tak boleh benar,
tanpa kebenaran, macamana nak jujur.......?

[ Last edited by  ussopp at 21-7-2008 03:44 PM ]

Agul

you don't have to tell the boss that her hairstyle sucks...

you just tell her that she really shines and look really good when she have another particular hairstyles... maybe a style she used to have...

most women choose a hairstyle because they want that hairstyle to make them look good.

redsinner

hihi...i almost confuse myself but i figure that if Honesty comes first it will be your basic instinct to do good. meaning ethically u are what your honesty policy is.
Truth will be spoken with Honesty? yes...and most of us figured that by not telling the truth is not being honest. (refer from post #2 to #20)
kebenaran is the relation to a circumstances, which kejujuran is the base of the judgement. if in this case refering to prophet Muhammad, baginda seorang yg jujur, yes, he was ethically right in his judgment, thus in circumstances that follow, he will speak of only the truth.
so since then, for any circumstances that occured sahabat2 will know that baginda only speak of nothing but the truth...
yes, Truth and Honesty cant be separated because they are the implication of each other but they are of different things.
i believe if someone doesnt have an adequate Honesty, how convince will people be when he is conveying the truth?

ussopp

yup....
what a relief...

rasanya ada banyak cara boleh handle benda nie kan.....

tak perlu nak jujur tak bertempat pada masa yg sama  tidak pula menggalakkan tipu.

ussopp

Originally posted by redsinner at 21-7-2008 04:01 PM
hihi...i almost confusemyself but i figure that if Honesty comes first it will be your basicinstinct to do good. meaning ethically u are what your honesty policyis.

hmm...then I will second you confusing myself... huhu....because I find you are right...
but talking about honesty as the basic instict to do good, actually it came from an opinion of mine which is" Lying is basic instict of disgraceful manner...."
such as curi, khianat, tikam belakang, rasuah, curang....each of these include lie, trickery, deceit as its basic...
sebab tu orang kata, pandai tipu, lama2 mencuri....atau senang nak buat jahat kalau pandai tipu....

thats why i came with honesty is  basic instict to do good ....tapi nampaknya cam tak tepat lagi....

Truth will be spoken with Honesty? yes...and most of us figured that bynot telling the truth is not being honest. (refer from post #2 to #20)
kebenaran is the relation to a circumstances, which kejujuran is thebase of the judgement. if in this case refering to prophet Muhammad,baginda seorang yg jujur, yes, he was ethically right in his judgment,thus in circumstances that follow, he will speak of only the truth.
so since then, for any circumstances that occured sahabat2 will know that baginda only speak of nothing but the truth...
yes, Truth and Honesty cant be separated because they are the implication of each other but they are of different things.
i believe if someone doesnt have an adequate Honesty, how convince will people be when he is conveying the truth?

yap

tiba2 teringat kisah nabi panggil orang mekah dan tanya adakah mereka akan percaya jika nabi kata ada pasukan perang di belakang bukit hendak serang mekah....

dan orang mekah kata mereka percaya apa saja nabi kata....
kemudian, bila nabi preach openly utk pertama kalinya,  ramai tak mahu percaya...

[ Last edited by  ussopp at 21-7-2008 04:48 PM ]

bestest_mom

Honesty is such a lonely word
Everyone is so untrue
Honesty is so hardly ever heard
and mostly what I need from you

- Billy Joel

hamizao

Better to tell the truth 'cause then you don't have to remember what you saaid,

Atomic_Omnikid

Originally posted by hamizao at 10-8-2008 00:04
Better to tell the truth 'cause then you don't have to remember what you saaid,

that's true

thessailly

honesty IS the best policy..

cuma cara nak menyampaikan ke "honest"an tu yang perlu dipelajari...

*my first 2 sen in E and T...

thessailly

Originally posted by hamizao at 10-8-2008 12:04 AM
Better to tell the truth 'cause then you don't have to remember what you saaid,

agree....tak payah risau nak cover2 balik...

ussopp

Originally posted by bestest_mom at 6-8-2008 09:41 PM
Honesty is such a lonely word
Everyone is so untrue
Honesty is so hardly ever heard
and mostly what I need from you

- Billy Joel

im listening to this song now....

hamizao

Lovely song. My hubby and I love it.

ajinomotonosuga

the best policy is the working policy

i dont care about its name..as long it works..use it, if it doesnt , try another..keep doing this till u achieve ur goal..sempoii isnt it?

cekman

ppl lie for many reasons.....

to get out of a sticky situation.....to get what they want....to save someone or oneself from embrassment....or to make oneself feel good

lealaurielle

I guess at certain times, honesty, may not be your best option - can it?

minae88

sbb kadang2 tipu pon sbb nak jg hati orang..

andria

Good topic. IMO, being honest does not mean one must tell all. But that does not mean one must lie as well. It just means that one has to learn when to hold, and when to let go.

natgar

honesty is the best policy, but sometimes it'll be a lot easier if we just lie...a bit...