Tentera Islam Pakistan vs Taliban

BatuApi

kalau taliban barua amerika...siapa pulak hamid kazrai skrg ni?...mana janji yg US dah tabur kat rakyat afganistan...batu api,setahu aku...isu taliban ni...tak pernah ada sapa blh jawab dorang ni dari ...
penyapu Post at 11-10-2009 19:58

Kedua-duanya adalah barua jadah Amerika. Taliban adalah barua awal dan apabila si barua sudah melawan tokeh maka terpaksalah melantik barua yang lain pula menjalankan tugas.
Ketika mula-mula Taliban memasuki Afghanistan, ramai yang terkejut kerana kononnya mereka pelajar-pelajar madrasah tetapi mereka mahir pulak memandu kereta kebal serta mengendalikan alat-alat senjata yang canggih manggih. Bukan itu saja tapi ada juga yang boleh mengendalikan kapalterbang seolah-olah seperti pilot yang mahir. Pelajar madrsah ni dapat latihan daripada mana???
Ada yang mengatakan bahawa Taliban ini adalah ciptaan ISI Pakistan dan mendapat restu daripada Amerika.

BatuApi

Apa yang sampai kepada saya, Taliban di Pakistan memang tidak diketaui siapa ketua yang sebenarnya. Nama-nama yang kita dengar kat media tu mungkin tidak benar sama sekali. Mereka tiada bai'ah dengan Ulama. Mereka bukannya Taliban yang sebenar seperti Taliban di Afghanistan. Mereka hanyalah ciptaan pihak tertentu. Berita yang tidak disampaikan kepada kita ialah mereka (pengganas) bukannya orang Islam, tetapi dibawa sebagai askar upahan. Ada yang dapat ditangkap, diperiksa dan dapat dibuktikan mereka bukan Islam. Ada yang Hindu. Tak berkhatan. Tak tahu Islam pun. Ada yang warga Nepal. Namun Pakistan kini dah tersepit dan terpaksa ikut telunjuk Amerika.

mnm77 Post at 12-10-2009 08:11

Sebab tu lah kita dengar berita bahawa Taliban di Pakistan ni bukan saja di perangi oleh askar Pakistan tetapi penduduk2 tempatan yang terdiri daripada golongan ulama2 juga memerangi mereka kerana telah membuat kacau bilau di sana.
Dengar kabar orang2 Tabligh Pakistan pun tak suka ngan Taliban ni. Betul ker??

mnm77

Kedua-duanya adalah barua jadah Amerika. Taliban adalah barua awal dan apabila si barua sudah melawan tokeh maka terpaksalah melantik barua yang lain pula menjalankan tugas.
Ketika mula-mula Taliban memasuki Afghanistan, ramai yang terkejut kerana kononnya mereka pelajar-pelajar madrasah tetapi mereka mahir pulak memandu kereta kebal serta mengendalikan alat-alat senjata yang canggih manggih. Bukan itu saja tapi ada juga yang boleh mengendalikan kapalterbang seolah-olah seperti pilot yang mahir. Pelajar madrsah ni dapat latihan daripada mana???
Ada yang mengatakan bahawa Taliban ini adalah ciptaan ISI Pakistan dan mendapat restu daripada Amerika.

BatuApi Post at 12-10-2009 09:33

Tuan dah pernah jumpa dengan Taliban yang bawa alat2 canggih ka?

Setahu saya 'Ulama Ahlussunnah di Pakistan dan Afghanistan walaupun ada yang tidak setuju dengan Taliban, tidaklah mereka memerangi Taliban.  Mereka tidak setuju campur tangan Amerika ke atas Afghanistan dan Taliban.

Kalau anda minta bukti, bolehlah baca jawapan berikut:
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=57de4c132dc8a4310d2193bdfffa55cf
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=034f69068eb8c5416a2a8c9f48dc19cc
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=42f5e6c82ed326b9b7ac779d3f518768
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=416dcfa9f2956015561d81db7198082e

Tuan pergilah berjumpa Ulama Ahlussunnah di Pakistan dan di Afghnistan, dan tanyalah pasal Taliban dari mereka. Kita dengar dari media macam-macam buruk pasal Taliban. Walaupun Taliban memang ada kelemahan, bukannya senang nak memerintah negara yang beratus tahun dalam kancah peperangan.

Kitab sejarah juga banyak menceritakan keburukan para sahabat, banyak yang palsu semata-mata untuk meburukkan mereka atas tujuan tertentu. Dengan sahabat, kita tak boleh balik ke zaman mereka, tetapi zaman sekarang berjumpalah dengan orang yang hampir dengan Taliban kalau nak tahu kisah sebenar.

mnm77

Sebab tu lah kita dengar berita bahawa Taliban di Pakistan ni bukan saja di perangi oleh askar Pakistan tetapi penduduk2 tempatan yang terdiri daripada golongan ulama2 juga memerangi mereka kerana telah membuat kacau bilau di sana.
Dengar kabar orang2 Tabligh Pakistan pun tak suka ngan Taliban ni. Betul ker??

BatuApi Post at 12-10-2009 09:37

Itu bukan Taliban yang sebenar. Itu pengganas yang dibayar untuk mencemarkan nama Taliban. Taliban yang ada bai'ah dengan Ulama Haqq tidak pernah bermusuhan dengan umat Islam ataupun Ulama Ahlussunnah yang lain.

Wallahu a'lam

eastrun

Mana-mana la..yang penting Pemimpin Islam sekarang ni memang melebih sangat.Apa dia sangka dengan betul2 mengikut sunnah Nabi tu (atau mereka menganggap ia sunnah Nabi tapi Nabi tak pernah buat pun) akan mengconfirmkan masuk syurga. Mereka terlalu suka bermimpi.Memang Allah tidak menyalahi janji..namun jika Allah menyalahinya pun.kita akan kata Dia tidak menyalahi janji..kerana kita dilarang mengatakan begitu tentang Dia.

kucingblue

Post Last Edit by mnm77 at 12-10-2009 09:31
Haha betul, tapi kalau membuka keburukan Yahudi, seluruh kekuatan media akan digunakan untuk menjatuhkan orang itu.
[quote]

mase perang hezbollah vs. Israel a few years ago, I remember seeing a CNN journalist pounding Israel military spokesperson about the allegation of war crime. Maybe they have the tendency to be in favor of Israel. But it's not 100%.

[quote]Yang tiada kaitan dengan Islam, cubalah kaji Henry Ford tu siapa dan kenapa dia dibenci Yahudi.
Kalau nak kaji melalui Wikipedia pun kena berfikiran adil sebab di situ ada saham Yahudi.
mnm77 Post at 12-10-2009 09:30

Wikipedia is a non-profit organization. The content is created by the users. In fact, even the page about the founder, Jimmy Wales has "criticism" section, that mentioned the fact that he edited his own biography in the past, unacceptable by Wikipedia standard.

ibnur

in America, the media is thankfully free.
kucingblue Post at 12-10-2009 09:09

thankfully free sebab tu FOX pegang semua.

tapi kawan kita tu suruh kita baca dari site US info gomen USA punya.

kupia

ANTARA TALIBAN GENUINE DENGAN TALIBAN PALSU YANG DICIPTA AMERIKA DI PAKISTAN
Sumber: Akhbar The Nation - http://www.nation.com.pk/pakista ... eal-vs-fake-Taliban

The real vs fake Taliban
By Nauman Qaiser | Published: May 13, 2009

The recent threats to young girls - be it outside Park Tower in Karachi, any place where the elite class studies in Lahore, works or hangs out in the urban centres of the country - that they should cover themselves completely and shun western dress, else their faces would be defaced beyond recognition point to the glaring fact that the religious bigots who call themselves "Taliban" are not only at our door steps, but are here to stay. In the meanwhile, the number of terrorism-related incidents in the country, where the prime targets are the personnel of various security agencies besides hundreds of innocent civilians, are increasing day by day. Where does all of this take us?

To answer this question, we must first analyse the primacy of these so-called Taliban, who are known by name of Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), and are lead by an ever-elusive Baitullah Mehsud. The common perception, which was recently reiterated after my discussion with an activist of a youth-based organisation that staged a protest demonstration in Lahore against the drone attacks, is that the group of Taliban led by Baitullah Mehsud is an outgrowth or a subsidiary of the Taliban fighting the American forces in Afghanistan, and is, therefore, an antithesis of America and its imperialistic policies in the region. On my suggestion that they should, after the successful demonstration against the drone attacks, stage a protest demonstration against TTP and the extremism spawn by it, the activist was of the view that since Taliban and America are each other's sworn enemies, a protest against Taliban would favour and please America and its agenda in the region, which their youth organisation wouldn't want.


This is where the whole problem lies; we haven't, as yet, been able to differentiate between what I call the "real" Taliban who solely focus on fighting the occupation forces in Afghanistan, and the "fake" Taliban, who are working on a hidden agenda of the United States and its ally, India, to disintegrate Pakistan. I call them fake, because it was during Musharraf's nine-year rule, whilst we considered ourselves an American ally, that the secret agencies of United States, India, Britain and Afghanistan established their hold throughout the length and breadth of Pakistan by setting up an extensive espionage network of their own, which recruited and subsequently released thousands of trained operatives garbed in the cloths of "Taliban" into the Pakistani territory.

This can be substantiated by the accounts of many journalists covering the war in the north western border of Pakistan, which suggest that the 25,000 strong fighters led by Baitullah Mehsud are not only highly trained but also have state-of-the-art weapons at their disposal. Now one wonders that where does the unabated supply of money and latest war gadgetry come from? These "Taliban" do not have the luxury of windfall revenues generated by the poppy cultivation, as their counterparts in Afghanistan do; neither could they be funded by the ISI, given the kind of havoc they are wreaking in Pakistan. Therefore, all the circumstantial evidence leads to the involvement of some hidden hands, which have their own axe to grind.

kupia

Moreover, the ease and impunity with which Baitullah and his loyalists address the journalists from their cell phones without being traced down by the modern tracking technology is mind boggling, to say the least. This is the question that troubles a thinking mind that how come a person on whom there is bounty of million of US dollars, and who is known to be freely moving around in the border areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan, get away scot-free from the wrath of US drone attacks? In order to quell misgivings like this and to bring home the point that US is not playing a double game with Pakistan, a series of cosmetic drone attacks on Baitullah's territory have recently been carried out, in which no serious damage has been done to TTP's infrastructure.

After the in-depth appraisal of our real enemies, we are in a better position to ascertain that, if unchecked, where this "fake" terrorism and extremism would lead us to. The answer lies in following the chain of history since the Soviet war of 1980s, and its comparison with the current 'war on Pakistan'.

In the present 'war on Pakistan, as in the jihad against the "Russian infidels", America is the key player which is planning and financing the whole project; the role played by Pakistan in the Afghan war has now shifted to India and Afghanistan, both of whom are dealing with the operational level details; the mujahedeen in that war were recruited by Pakistan and US from all over the Islamic world, while the Taliban in the present war against Pakistan are being recruited by US, India, Afghanistan and Britian. Further comparison between
the two wars will lead us to the results which US and its allies like India want from this 'war on Pakistan'.

The prime objective of the War, which is also called Operation Enduring Turmoil by the secret agencies of the US, is to disintegrate Pakistan - give northern Pakistan to Afghanistan, Southwest Pakistan to the Balochs, east of Pakistan to India - by first bringing these fake Taliban into power and than attacking a Pakistan led by these bigots on the plea that the nuclear-armed mullahs would prove very dangerous for the security of the world. This situation is reminiscent of the times when the Taliban in Afghanistan were brought into power only to be attacked in the aftermath of 9/11 on baseless and flimsy grounds. The idea behind the both manoeuvres is the same - in the Afghan war and its aftermath, to bring a puppet regime in Afghanistan; in the present war, to disintegrate Pakistan, and thus to serve Indian interests, besides checking the influence of China and Iran in the region. The so-called insurgency in NWFP and Balochistan is also part of this 'Big Game'.


By capitulating to these Taliban in the shape of the promulgation of the Nizam-e-Adl regulation, the Pakistani government is implicitly helping the ulterior motives of the great powers involved in this 'Big Game'. The power given to Maulana Sufi Muhammad and his cohorts to deal on part of the Taliban smacks of utter disregard on part of the government of the sensitivities involved. The flogging of a teenage girl and the threats to the girls in the main cities of the country; Maulana's interpretation of the Swat deal that the Taliban are allowed to wield weapons, and that they would be immune from being prosecuted in the new "justice" system; his vow to extend the Nizam-e-Adl to other parts of the country, and latest edict saying that appeals in the High Court and Supreme Court are un-Islamic - all of this is not only swiftly "talibanising" the country but also putting the very existence of the country in danger, given the involvement of the world and regional powers in the whole game.

Given the stakes involved, the government needs to act fast, as any dithering on the issue could be fatal for the very existence of the country. The government must, first of all, very candidly discuss with the American officials that this hidden agenda pursued by their country has been exposed, and it would be better if the United States stopped playing the double game forthwith. If the US does not oblige, of which there are great chances, Pakistan should, inter alia, also re-think its cooperation on the War on Terror. Time has come when we see the imperialists and their allies eye-to-eye, else no one would be able to stop the spread of "Talibanisation" and the subsequent disintegration of the country.

The writer is a corporate lawyer based in Lahore
E-mail: [email protected]

BatuApi

Hahahaaa....Taliban dah pecah 2 pulok daah.
Taliban di Pakistan yang diketuai oleh ulama Baitullah Mehsud disponsor oleh India manakala Taliban di Afghanistan disponsor pulak oleh Pakistan.

kupia

Hahahaaa....Taliban dah pecah 2 pulok daah.
Hahahaaa....Taliban dah pecah 2 pulok daah.
Taliban di Pakistan yang diketuai oleh ulama Baitullah Mehsud disponsor oleh India manakala Taliban di Afghanistan disponsor pulak oleh Pakistan.
BatuApi Post at 12-10-2009 14:53

ko baca sekali lagi, kang kata tak reti baca marah pulak....

taliban yang ko kutuk habis-habisan tu bukan taliban, tu keja india dengan amerika, mungkin ko boleh bersekongkol sekali dengan diaorang kot... puak2 Islam yang macam ni melambak ada kat india nun...

BatuApi

ko baca sekali lagi, kang kata tak reti baca marah pulak....

taliban yang ko kutuk habis-habisan tu bukan taliban, tu keja india dengan amerika, mungkin ko boleh bersekongkol sekali dengan diao ...
kupia Post at 12-10-2009 15:00

Pulok daahhh

BatuApi

Post Last Edit by kupia at 10-10-2009 09:41

Bagaimana Islam ala Taliban dicerca dan dihina oleh dunia (lebih2 lagi orang Islam sendiri) mengikut telunjuk George Bush... kali ini giliran tentera Isl ...
kupia Post at 10-10-2009 09:39

Yang kena pukul oleh tentera Pakistan  ni mungkin Taliban Palsu kot?

kucingblue

thankfully free sebab tu FOX pegang semua.
ibnur Post at 12-10-2009 12:06

i wouldn't agree with that. we still have CNN, MSNBC etc. they are not owned by Rupert Murdoch.

shahgti

islam pakistan bunuh islam bangladesh (sebelum pakistan terpecah dua) aku sokong pakistan. islam pakistan bunuh islam taliban aku sokong taliban.  seronok gak tengok islam berbunuhan sesama islam sejak zaman khawarij, ali, aishah, muawiyah dan seterusnya sampai kiamat.

kucingblue

so aku nak tanye. mase taliban berkuasa dulu, orang perempuan boleh gi skola blaja tinggi-tinggi secara terbuka ke?

shahgti

jahat2 pakistan pun ramai yg pegi mengaji agama di pakistan. lepas tu bawak balik budaya pakis.

BatuApi

so aku nak tanye. mase taliban berkuasa dulu, orang perempuan boleh gi skola blaja tinggi-tinggi secara terbuka ke?
kucingblue Post at 13-10-2009 11:01

Tak bleh...perempuan haram keluar rumah. Hukumnya nanti akan disebat oleh polis taliban.

shahgti

so aku nak tanye. mase taliban berkuasa dulu, orang perempuan boleh gi skola blaja tinggi-tinggi secara terbuka ke?
kucingblue Post at 13-10-2009 11:01

taliban sama mcm arab saudi. kaum wanitanya diperuk dlm rmh takut mendatangkan fitnah.

shahgti

Tak bleh...perempuan haram keluar rumah. Hukumnya nanti akan disebat oleh polis taliban.
BatuApi Post at 13-10-2009 11:11

aishah r.a dulu pernah keluar rmh tak?  

apa hukumnya wanita keluar bekerja?