Can God Become A Man? Can God Have A Son?

sky_ephemeris

I'm not Muslim but you can just google blogs and also sources from Zakir Naik. Zakir Naik also talks about Hinduism and its link to Islam because everything in this world is linked to Islam but in the term of God, non-Muslim does not believe in One God because One God is only known in Islam, well according to Muslim

sonny~~

Reply  sonny~~  as the last prophet of mankind???
pendakwa Post at 2-2-2011 18:40

    that's tough question.  the answer is NO.  if you think he is what's the evidence to back up  

sonny~~

If Muhammad the last prophet of mankind, thus Allah should be the God of mankind. But Majlis Fatwa K ...
sky_ephemeris Post at 2-2-2011 18:45

    to the muslims allah is god of mankind.  but not trinity and twoness' god since he's 3 gods in 1 god (trinity) and 2 gods in 1 god (twoness).  

DavidW

Zakr Naik does not have an audience outside Muslim circles basically simply because he had been proven a fraud time and again.
Notice that Zakir Naik has so far refused to debate any prominent Christians apologists even though he makes big claims and charges against Christianity. The reason for that is very simple cus he knows he will lose in any denate with a well prepared Christian on equal terms rather than him holding the floor without allowing replies to his Q and A sessions.

sonny~~

First of all, there is no reason to believe that Muhamad was a prophet of God.
DavidW Post at 2-2-2011 22:35

    are you saying muhamad is not muslims' prophet?  what's the evidence to back your statement?  

sonny~~

I'm not Muslim but you can just google blogs and also sources from Zakir Naik. Zakir Naik also talks ...
sky_ephemeris Post at 3-2-2011 00:28

what are you?  trinity, twoness, unitary?  

DavidW

Is your God almight mr.sonny?

sonny~~

Is your God almight mr.sonny?
DavidW Post at 3-2-2011 23:44

    indeed he is unlike yours who's somewhat suffering from split personality.  a trinitarian in another forum has insisted jesus = god.  inother words jesus = god the father.  hence when jesus cried out MY LORD MY LORD WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME, that's gonna mean he's crying out to himself.  hence the split personality.  

sonny~~

perhaps you're better able to come up with more convincing explanation for trinity mr DAVID?  or you'd rather run off defeated.  

DavidW

    indeed he is unlike yours who's somewhat suffering from split personality.  a trinitarian in another forum has insisted jesus = god.  inother words jesus = god the father.  hence when jesus cried out MY LORD MY LORD WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME, that's gonna mean he's crying out to himself.  hence the split personality.  
sonny~~ Post at 4-2-2011 01:14

Since your god is almighty, why is he then restricted by your notion of what he can or cannot do? Aren't you then his god by logic? You see the Muslim contradiction there sonny?

sonny~~

Since your god is almighty, why is he then restricted by your notion of what he can or cannot do? Aren't you then his god by logic? You see the Muslim contradiction there sonny?
DavidW Post at 4-2-2011 09:52

err you forgot to put MR for me nick sonny, dude.  continue playing gentleman shall we?  

my ONE AND ONLY almighty god is not foolish like yours to wanna play man to save mankind.  he has his prophets etc to serve him hand and foot so to speak.  

on the other hand trinity god wanna play man jesus as well as holy spirit to save mankind.  hence commonsense gonna tell you, he's distrustful god.  he's not almighty enough when he couldnt trust his prophets etc to do his work on earth.  

and logic gonna tell you your god is zeus in nature - a gods not a god.  a mythology god who can have sex, can shit and defeated by man.  you create your god to be a man to save mankind.  you see the implication when trinitarians say jesus = god, mr DAVID?  

DavidW

You claim that your god is not foolish but he certainly isn't almighty, he is somehow restricted by you. why don't you call yourself god of Allah sonny?

sky_ephemeris

what are you?  trinity, twoness, unitary?
sonny~~ Post at 3-2-2011 22:11

I'm a Catholic, but Catholics aren't just those with Latin rites as many people always familiar with. Our theology explanation is the same as the theology of an archbishop of Constantinople with the theotokos and christothokos controversy. That Diophysitism or twoness of natures of Jesus Christ is our position and that is not the split of nature of Jesus.

sonny~~

You claim that your god is not foolish but he certainly isn't almighty, he is somehow restricted by you. why don't you call yourself god of Allah sonny?
DavidW Post at 4-2-2011 12:42

your heckling colour is showing mr DEB . . err mr DAVID.  my ONE AND ONLY god is never restricted by his creation man, it's trinitarian like you who decided almighty god gotta feature as man with err shady charater to save mankind.  and poor holy spirit is dragged in as one of 3 gods in 1 god to satisfy your soap opera mentality.  

sonny~~

I'm a Catholic, but Catholics aren't just those with Latin rites as many people always familiar  ... That Diophysitism or twoness of natures of Jesus Christ is our position . . .
sky_ephemeris Post at 4-2-2011 12:47

so you're in mr TRUTH's camp.  he's binitarian too.  mr DAVID is trinitarian but that's beside the point.  what make you believe holy spirit is no god?  

sonny~~

err guys, mr MODs, beg your pardon for implying jesus has shady character.  the word shady is null and void.  me consider jesus as very holy man while a unitarian in another forum calls him a great teacher  

sky_ephemeris

so you're in mr TRUTH's camp.  he's binitarian too.  mr DAVID is trinitarian but that's beside t ...
sonny~~ Post at 4-2-2011 13:32

Spiritu Santu indeed is from the same substance of God, and of course it is not God Himself but we understood Spiritu Santu as the medium who brought light and revelation from God to human-being. I don't know about how other Catholics or Orthodox Christians perceive this but that is our understanding about Spiritu Santu.

About diophysitism, it depends on how you understood the divine and humanity natures of Christ and the union of those natures in Christ It's not about his personality at all. That is treated as another thing because nature and personality is two different things themselves.

So what kind of Unitarianism that you hold? Is it in the term of Oneness of God or Christ nature whether he is divine or not or he has both natures united in him? I do believe in One God without any partnership although Muslims might accuse me as a polytheist because of Trinity thingy and because I am a Catholic But in term of Christ nature, there are few views about him which had been a subject of argument among Church Fathers and Archbishops or Bishops of the past. Whether Christ divine nature and his human nature fused into one single nature? Or Christ had a human body and human living principle but divine word had taken the place of his thinking principle?  

To make everyone including Muslims understand this matter, there are two kind of diophysitism or view about the two nature of Christ. Like for me, I believe in human Jesus Christ and Divine Logos (Word)  or what had been called as Kalimah in Arabic. Another one is about the hypostasis (unity) of Christ nature. These things are not about central belief of Christianity but rather about terminology differences in describing central faith of Christians and defining it

sonny~~

Spiritu Santu indeed is from the same substance of God, and of course it is not God Himself but we understood Spiritu Santu as the medium who brought light and revelation from God to human-being. I don't know about how other Catholics or Orthodox Christians perceive this but that is our understanding about Spiritu Santu.

inother words jesus is no god afterall a medium (spiritu santu) is connecting man jesus to almighty god right?  this medium dont change man jesus to almighty god himself right?  mark you man is made of clay.  hence when trinity and twoness wanna insist jesus is god, that gonna mean almighty god is made of clay.  there you are.  

About diophysitism, it depends on how you understood the divine and humanity natures of Christ and the union of those natures in Christ It's not about his personality at all. That is treated as another thing because nature and personality is two different things themselves.

a union of divinity and humanity in jesus gonna imply sometimes he's man and sometimes he's almighty god himself.  and almighty god himself equally gonna be man with limitations and some other times fully himself with his divine power and all.  sounds like jekyl and hyde right?

So what kind of Unitarianism that you hold? Is it in the term of Oneness of God or Christ nature whether he is divine or not or he has both natures united in him? I do believe in One God without any partnership although Muslims might accuse me as a polytheist because of Trinity thingy and because I am a Catholic

indeed i'm unitarian for me believe in oneness of god.  me dont believe jesus is god, he's simply a man of untainted character.  mr DEBMEY time and again described his trinity god being 3 gods in 1 god.  hence since you're binitarian, that's gonna mean you believe in 2 gods in 1 god.  no way you can say you believe in ONE GOD when you also consider jesus being divine.  the dictionary says DIVINE means having the nature of diety and DIETY often religiously referred as god.  so do you truly believe jesus is god or are you merely following the crowd, you know the herd mentality?

But in term of Christ nature, there are few views about him which had been a subject of argument among Church Fathers and Archbishops or Bishops of the past. Whether Christ divine nature and his human nature fused into one single nature? Or Christ had a human body and human living principle but divine word had taken the place of his thinking principle?

that's much ado over nuthin.  jesus is a jew right?  jews dont believe yahweh is 3 gods or 2 gods in 1 god right?  hence it's best if trinitarians and binitarians were to cease believing in 3 gods or 2 gods in 1 god thing and abide by almighty god yahweh being ONE AND ONLY ONE.   

To make everyone including Muslims understand this matter, there are two kind of diophysitism or view about the two nature of Christ. Like for me, I believe in human Jesus Christ and Divine Logos (Word)  or what had been called as Kalimah in Arabic. Another one is about the hypostasis (unity) of Christ nature. These things are not about central belief of Christianity but rather about terminology differences in describing central faith of Christians and defining it
sky_ephemeris Post at 4-2-2011 15:07

methinks you gotta stick to one belief - jesus is god (deceptive belief i must say) or jesus is no god (unitary christians, jews and muslim belief).  no beat the bushes.  

DavidW

So is Allah almighty?

sonny~~

not bad after 4 days you've made 55 posts.

the earth shattering question is ALLAH ALMIGHTY?  indeed he is, so's UNITARY GOD and YAHWEH.  but not 3 gods in 1 trinity god and 2 gods in 1 twoness god.  next.