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Read all the quran suraah in arab languange and you will find the criteria and objective that u r looking for, |
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really? Where? Which chapter and vrese? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-26 11:57 PM:
really? Where? Which chapter and vrese?
That would be the entire Quran if you understood anything at all. For starters quit jumping the gun and start on the 2:23. The most perfect, simple and yet devastatingly and excruciatingly difficult on you to deliver even a portion of it over your steroetyped lame excuse of a answer.
Which chapter and verse? Try this one for size dude.
Soora 2:23 : And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.
I'm pushing you really hard on this issue Debmey. Quit stalling and start answering. Show me that you can "perform" on your forlone without your deserter helpers. Noone of your homeboys are chipping in their worth to help you out Debmey. You're on your own as always.
ARI FUZZMAN
[ Last edited by Fuzzman on 27-1-2005 at 01:38 AM ] |
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Originally posted by zy at 2005-1-26 11:28 PM:
Read all the quran suraah in arab languange and you will find the criteria and objective that u r looking for,
Zy is right. To actually fully appreciate and understand Quran, all text, verses and chapters should be read in the Arabic medium. The aspirations of the message is better explained in its originality. Any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of Allah, and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form. The reason for this is that many verses of the Quran have been misconstrued, misunderstood, taken out of context, misinterpretated and manipulated by anti-Islamic elements who sieve for possible counter interpretation in the translative process of bringing the message of Allah to other cultures.
To better undestand fully this explanation, Fuzzman invites all of you especially Debmey to go over to the online Quranic reciter at www.reciter.org
Download the Flash player if you need it, then click on the word reciter to get to another opened window that displays the Quran and the reading. At the right hand corner, choose the verse of your choice and listen to its reading.
ARI FUZZMAN
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-26 09:40 PM:
You gotta work harder at denial Fuzzy. At this rate, we won't make page 40 by the end of this year. I demand more posts from you. Of course, you can do a collective effort with other muslims to make it. So can any muslim show us any objective criteria for teh sura like it challenge? How can the quran be taken seriously unless the challenge comes with objective criteria? ...
YOU TALK THE TALK BUT YOU DO NOT WALK THE TALK. The inspiration of the soora 2:23 remains for eternity.
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yes sir, you talk a lot but still cannot show us even one objective criteria that can be used for the sura 2:23 challenge. Thats why the quran is a hoax. |
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BY DEB
yes sir, you talk a lot but still cannot show us even one objective criteria that can be used for the sura 2:23 challenge. Thats why the quran is a hoax.
= awww..he cant do it ;) |
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AWW... muslims can't make sura 2:23 intelligible.
cheers |
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hahahaha...debmey is shying away |
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Am still waiting for that first objective criteria from muslims.
I'm as bold as ever. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-27 06:41 AM:
yes sir, you talk a lot but still cannot show us even one objective criteria that can be used for the sura 2:23 challenge. Thats why the quran is a hoax.
Let the followers of this thread decide as to who is the real "hoax" here. You or Fuzzman. Let them speak their minds after this post.
Yes Sir, I've put up a lot here. Call it talking if you like but I've yet to see you answer any one of them. So who is the hoaxer? You say that there is no objective criteria for the 2:23. Fine that Fuzzman can accept. Then again don't just talk for the sake of talking. Back up that statement of yours with pure hard facts. Anybody can just say they don't agree but then the onus is on them to prove why they don't agree in the first place.
I've asked you TIME AND TIME AGAIN, to justify and show proof as to why the 2:23 hasn't by your call, all the requirements of a objective criteria, but yet you refuse compliance. Can we all take that act of yours as a show of inability to pursue your arguments beyond the monotonous rhetoric? If you have what it takes, we wouldn't be on page 21 with Fuzzman hot on your tail, would we? It just shows that you don't have what it takes to make your stand, however hard you try to make it sound convincing. Even your fellowship of the Cross buddies aren't providing you any cover at all. Not even Truth is lending you a helping hand here. Doesn't that tell you something? If I were in your place, I'd be shitting bricks trying to figure out why I'm running the gauntlet alone - wouldn't you be too?
Soora 2:23 : And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.
Once again Debmey I challenge you by saying that the 2:23 has fulfilled the perfect objective criteria. Now it's up to you to show us all why that verse is not.
ARI FUZZMAN
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-27 09:48 PM:
Am still waiting for that first objective criteria from muslims. I'm as bold as ever.
Bold as ever? That much I agree with you. Every day you get bolder by the hour but not from victory. Your self-proclaimed "boldness" stems from the fact that you think you can get away from reality by exibiting ignorance. Sorry fren, down here we don't buy your preacher man crap, cheap shots and most definately not your self-inflicted ignorance. That is why we're always 24/7 hot in pursuit, behind you and at your heels. At the rate you're being hounded down, would require a change of soles every 1000 kilometres. Learn to live with that fact. Cheers fren!
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The Quran does not give any objective criteria for the challenge.
The challenge is therefore invalid. Its as simple as that.
If Muslims still want to use 2:23 to challenge others, the burden is therefore on you Muslims to come up with a set of reasonable objective criteria.
So where? Where are the objective criteria for the sura like it challenge?
I'll make it easy for you Muslims. Lets start with which sura should we compare? How long should the sura be? What is the definition of a sura?
The Quran has no clue.
Can we pick any verse from the Quran as we like since its an open challenge? You want me to choose the sura myself? |
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This thread is getting interesting & interesting. Too bad, I can't contribute anything b'coz I don't have the knowledge. Salam to Fuzzman, Zy & Snipersnake. To Fuzzman, thanks for the online Quranic reciter. |
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You don't have the knowledge, neither do these other Muslims guys.
so which sura shld we choose? Can I choose it myself? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-27 10:17 PM:
The Quran does not give any objective criteria for the challenge.
The challenge is therefore invalid. Its as simple as that.
If Muslims still want to use 2:23 to challenge others, the burden i ...
the objective criteria is there alright as FUZZ has elaborated many a time but u insist to heckle blind to keep dot dot dot erect 
peace |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-27 11:39 PM:
You don't have the knowledge, neither do these other Muslims guys.
so which sura shld we choose? Can I choose it myself?
abide by the objective criteria as stated in the soora. otherwise slink off with ur tail between ur legs. simple
peace |
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