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Post time 22-11-2007 09:33 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ganisara at 21-11-2007 04:50 PM
alaikumsalam....
u memang betul,coz forum yg dipenuhi pemikir cetek(bukan semua)camni takkan
kemana...
satu bandingan yg nyata diantara ilmuan dan org yg "rasa alim"tapikurang bijak dimana they think kutuk people camtu Allah akan rewardmereka dgn banyak......
apa pun i forgive them...
bacalah dulu dalam CI(PAGE 7)ttg hal ini dan berilah komen sewajarnya...bukan suruh saya jadi murtad dan puja patung......
oops topik yg dibentangkan dlm CI(CURRENT ISSUES)itu dalam English maybe
sebab tulah mereka ini kurang faham dan ambil keputusan HANTAM saya...
alhamdullilah dapat saya minor pahala........  


Tu yg tak tahan tu.........Dia tahu Allah kasi pahala kat dia, Confirm ke??
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Post time 22-11-2007 05:02 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sedondon at 21-11-2007 04:21 PM
Ayah Pin kata : " Kerajaan Langit itu wujud, Aku adalah tuhan bagi semua agama, kenapa? tak percaya? Tu lah Melayu, pemikiran sempit, Kolot, Very sad..........."

Abuya kata : Aku lah Imam Maha ...


so nanti kalau nabi isa turun or imam mahdi yang sebenar turun..dan diorang claim diorang adalah yg sebenar.. apa kau nak cakap kat dia

"ko pikir kita melayu爄slam bodo eh?"

oh, mesti ko jawab..orang yg kuat iman akan percaya bahwa mereka adalah yg tulen..

ni aku jawab..MY ASS
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Post time 22-11-2007 05:35 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by highlander07 at 22-11-2007 12:42 AM
Di lembah yg kering kontang Hajar dan Ismail AS...tiba dan ditinggalkan berdua..

Berhala2 itu kemudian slps zaman mereka


Dak eh,

Pak dia tebas habis kecuali satu ditinggal yang paling besau.

Tapi ya le juga salepas Ismail ngan maknya, dibuboh juga lagi benda tu keliling kaabah.
Dahsyat ya?
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Post time 22-11-2007 05:41 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by highlander07 at 22-11-2007 12:42 AM
Di lembah yg kering kontang Hajar dan Ismail AS...tiba dan ditinggalkan berdua..

Berhala2 itu kemudian slps zaman mereka


Dak eh,

Pak dia tebas habis kecuali satu ditinggal yang paling besau.

Tapi ya le juga salepas Ismail ngan maknya, dibuboh juga lagi benda tu keliling kaabah.
Dahsyat ya?
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Post time 22-11-2007 06:22 PM | Show all posts

Reply #32 ganisara's post

oh ye ke? ko ni cam nak pertikaikan agama islam jek...hati2 sikit bile b'ckp...
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Post time 22-11-2007 06:29 PM | Show all posts

Reply #43 sedondon's post

eh...die kan penuh ilmiah...tahu Allah bagi die pahala minor....pasti sangat ler tu....woaa...
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Post time 22-11-2007 06:40 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by highlander07 at 22-11-2007 12:42 AM
Di lembah yg kering kontang Hajar dan Ismail AS...tiba dan ditinggalkan berdua..

Berhala2 itu kemudian slps zaman mereka


Dak eh,

Pak dia tebas habis kecuali satu ditinggal yang paling besau.

Tapi ya le juga salepas Ismail ngan maknya, dibuboh juga lagi benda tu keliling kaabah.
Dahsyat ya?
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Post time 22-11-2007 06:57 PM | Show all posts

Reply #29 ganisara's post

Jangan tpedaya dgn Org2 Hindu nei, diorg mmg nak pdayakan org2 Melayu dgn mmutar-belitkan agama Islam... Kalo xsilap sy, diorg buat rencana (d London) utk mghindukan org2 Melayu dkt Malaysia, aritikel tu sy da tdelete kalo sape2 ada bolela pastekan kat sini...

Persoalan yg perlu dibangkitkan:
1. Adakah Hindu tu adala agama? Mnurut para pengkaji, Hindu lbh condong k cara hidup. Tiada Nabi (Org yg membawa agama tsebut sperti Buddha). Ajaran nyer lbh kepada tulisan2 yg dtulis bdasarkan peristiwa berlaku (History based).
2. Berhala - Adakah stiap org yg mmuja Berhala merupakan Hindu? Tentula bukan, takkan kaum Maya, Inca, Greece, Roman (sblm Kristian) pganut Hindu.
3. Tanah Arab pernah dijajah oleh org India? Mmg x berlaku, org India kena serang org Parsi dulu sebelum mjajah tanah Arab. Mampu ke org India nak kalahkan org Parsi pd ms tu???

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Post time 22-11-2007 07:07 PM | Show all posts
Kaaba & Mecca In History

Edward Gibbon writes about the Ka'bah and its existence before the Christian era in his book:

..... of blind mythology of barbarians - of the local deities, of the stars, the air, and the earth, of their sex or titles, their attributes or subordination. Each tribe, each family, each independent warrier, created and changed the rites and the object of this fantastic worship; but the nation, in every age, has bowed to the religion as well as to the language of Mecca. The genuine antiquity of Caaba ascends beyond the Christian era: in describing the coast of the Red sea the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamudites and the Sabeans, a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by all the Arabians; the linen of silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish emperor, was first offered by the Homerites, who reigned seven hundred years before the time of Mohammad.[2]

Diodorus Siculus was a Greek historian of 1st century BC who wrote Bibliotheca Historica, a book describing various parts of the discovered world. The following lines are the English translation of Greek quoted by Gibbon from the book of Diodorus Siculus (Diodorus of Sicily) describing the 'temple' considered to be the the holiest in the whole of Arabia.

And a temple has been set-up there, which is very holy and exceedingly revered by all Arabians.[3]

It is interesting to know that Claudius Ptolemy of Alexandria, mathematician and astronomer, flourishing about a century after Pliny, undertook to make an atlas of the habitable world. He was not a descriptive geographer, and his book was intended to be no more than a commentary on his maps. He enumerated some hundred and fourteen cities or villages in Arabia Felix.

For example, Dumaetha, placed by Ptolemy just outside the northern boundary of Arabia Felix, must be the mediaeval Arabian Daumet, which is today the chief village of the great oasis of Jauf. Hejr, famous in the "times of ignorance" as the seat of a kingdom, and now Medayin Salih, is Ptolemy's Egra. His Thaim is Teima, now known for its inscriptions to have had temples and some sort of civilization as far back as 500 BC. It is the Tema of Job. In Lathrippa, placed inland from Iambia (Yambo), we recognize the Iathrippa of Stephan of Byzantium, the Yathrib of the early Arab traditions, now honoured as El Medina, the City of Cities.[4]

Apart from this a place called Macoraba is also shown which is identified as Mecca (please refer to the map facing page 17 of reference [3]). G E von Grunebaum says:

Mecca is mentioned by Ptolemy, and the name he gives it allows us to identify it as a South Arabian foundation created around a sanctuary.[5]

Makkah In The Scriptures

The Qur'鈔 talks about Bakkah (the older name of Makkah) being the first house of worship appointed for mankind. It also addresses this place as Umm ul-Qur
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Post time 22-11-2007 07:07 PM | Show all posts

Reply #50 yaminz's post

Kaaba & Mecca In History

Edward Gibbon writes about the Ka'bah and its existence before the Christian era in his book:

..... of blind mythology of barbarians - of the local deities, of the stars, the air, and the earth, of their sex or titles, their attributes or subordination. Each tribe, each family, each independent warrier, created and changed the rites and the object of this fantastic worship; but the nation, in every age, has bowed to the religion as well as to the language of Mecca. The genuine antiquity of Caaba ascends beyond the Christian era: in describing the coast of the Red sea the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamudites and the Sabeans, a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by all the Arabians; the linen of silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish emperor, was first offered by the Homerites, who reigned seven hundred years before the time of Mohammad.[2]

Diodorus Siculus was a Greek historian of 1st century BC who wrote Bibliotheca Historica, a book describing various parts of the discovered world. The following lines are the English translation of Greek quoted by Gibbon from the book of Diodorus Siculus (Diodorus of Sicily) describing the 'temple' considered to be the the holiest in the whole of Arabia.

And a temple has been set-up there, which is very holy and exceedingly revered by all Arabians.[3]

It is interesting to know that Claudius Ptolemy of Alexandria, mathematician and astronomer, flourishing about a century after Pliny, undertook to make an atlas of the habitable world. He was not a descriptive geographer, and his book was intended to be no more than a commentary on his maps. He enumerated some hundred and fourteen cities or villages in Arabia Felix.

For example, Dumaetha, placed by Ptolemy just outside the northern boundary of Arabia Felix, must be the mediaeval Arabian Daumet, which is today the chief village of the great oasis of Jauf. Hejr, famous in the "times of ignorance" as the seat of a kingdom, and now Medayin Salih, is Ptolemy's Egra. His Thaim is Teima, now known for its inscriptions to have had temples and some sort of civilization as far back as 500 BC. It is the Tema of Job. In Lathrippa, placed inland from Iambia (Yambo), we recognize the Iathrippa of Stephan of Byzantium, the Yathrib of the early Arab traditions, now honoured as El Medina, the City of Cities.[4]

Apart from this a place called Macoraba is also shown which is identified as Mecca (please refer to the map facing page 17 of reference [3]). G E von Grunebaum says:

Mecca is mentioned by Ptolemy, and the name he gives it allows us to identify it as a South Arabian foundation created around a sanctuary.[5]

Makkah In The Scriptures

The Qur'鈔 talks about Bakkah (the older name of Makkah) being the first house of worship appointed for mankind. It also addresses this place as Umm ul-Qur
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Post time 22-11-2007 07:07 PM | Show all posts

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Location Of Mecca (Makkah)

Mecca is at the intersection of latitude 21 to 25 degree north and longitude 39 to 49 degree east. It is set in a rugged landscape consisting mostly of solid granite, with rocks sometimes reaching 300 meters (1,000 feet) above sea level.

Makkah is enclosed by the Valley of Abraham, which is surrounded by two nearby mountain ranges to the east, west and south. The northern range comprises the Al-Falaq and Qu'aqi'an mountains, while the southern range consists of Abu Hudaidah mountain to the west, Kuday to the south and Abu Qubais and Khindimah to the south-east.

There are three main entrances to Makkah: Al-Mu'allat (also known as Al-Huj鹡), Al-Musfalah and Al-Shubaikah.


Kaaba & Mecca In History

Edward Gibbon writes about the Ka'bah and its existence before the Christian era in his book:

..... of blind mythology of barbarians - of the local deities, of the stars, the air, and the earth, of their sex or titles, their attributes or subordination. Each tribe, each family, each independent warrier, created and changed the rites and the object of this fantastic worship; but the nation, in every age, has bowed to the religion as well as to the language of Mecca. The genuine antiquity of Caaba ascends beyond the Christian era: in describing the coast of the Red sea the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamudites and the Sabeans, a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by all the Arabians; the linen of silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish emperor, was first offered by the Homerites, who reigned seven hundred years before the time of Mohammad.[2]

Diodorus Siculus was a Greek historian of 1st century BC who wrote Bibliotheca Historica, a book describing various parts of the discovered world. The following lines are the English translation of Greek quoted by Gibbon from the book of Diodorus Siculus (Diodorus of Sicily) describing the 'temple' considered to be the the holiest in the whole of Arabia.

And a temple has been set-up there, which is very holy and exceedingly revered by all Arabians.[3]

It is interesting to know that Claudius Ptolemy of Alexandria, mathematician and astronomer, flourishing about a century after Pliny, undertook to make an atlas of the habitable world. He was not a descriptive geographer, and his book was intended to be no more than a commentary on his maps. He enumerated some hundred and fourteen cities or villages in Arabia Felix.
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Post time 22-11-2007 07:27 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sLapshock at 22-11-2007 05:02 PM


so nanti kalau nabi isa turun or imam mahdi yang sebenar turun..dan diorang claim diorang adalah yg sebenar.. apa kau nak cakap kat dia

"ko pikir kita melayu islam bodo eh?"

oh, mesti ko jawab..orang yg kuat iman akan percaya bahwa mereka adalah yg tulen..

ni aku jawab..MY ASS


What happened to your ass???
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Post time 22-11-2007 09:37 PM | Show all posts
memang ler berzaman dahulu sebelum Islam, tempat tu orang2 yang menyembah berhala.. tapi sejak datangnya Islam, dan pendakwahan berlaku, ramai orang terbuka hati untuk memeluk islam.. jap, jap.. bukan maksud nak menghina tapi, bukan kah ini ada dalam mata pelajaran Sirah darjah 3???
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Post time 22-11-2007 10:25 PM | Show all posts
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Post time 22-11-2007 10:57 PM | Show all posts

Reply #50 yaminz's post

yaminz is correct. memang perangai ****** ****** masa ni nak memartabatkan agama Hindu. antara tipu-tipuan yang selalu gigi dengar ealah:

1. Hinduism is the mother of all religions. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all come from the same Vedic source. But the purest remain is Hinduism.

2. Sebelum Islam datang, Arab-arab jahilliayah memang beragama Hindu.

3. Hinduism adalah agama paling lengkap.

yang bessnya sekali, aku tengah borak ngan ****** ni dari negara India. dia borak pasal musik dan agama. dia boleh kata musik tu datangnya dari tuhan hindu entahapanama entah.

******-****** ni nak claim semua dia punya. semua ilmu itu asalnya daripada dia, yang agama lain tu tiru meniru. tetapi orang Islam menganggap semua ilmu daripada Allah, jadik tak kira whichever civilization yang jumpa ilmu tu, still tetap daripada Allah. sebab tu masa zman kebangkitan Islam, orang Islam mengambil ilmu dari mana mana dan mengembangkannya - contoh, Roman, Hindu dsb.

ko jangan percaya sangatlah cakap ****** ni. dah lah bau badan busuk. mulut pun busuk jugak. ****** ni memang terkenal kerana menipu.
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Post time 22-11-2007 10:58 PM | Show all posts
yaminz is correct. memang perangai ****** ****** masa ni nak memartabatkan agama Hindu. antara tipu-tipuan yang selalu gigi dengar ealah:

1. Hinduism is the mother of all religions. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all come from the same Vedic source. But the purest remain is Hinduism.

2. Sebelum Islam datang, Arab-arab jahilliayah memang beragama Hindu.

3. Hinduism adalah agama paling lengkap.

yang bessnya sekali, aku tengah borak ngan ****** ni dari negara India. dia borak pasal musik dan agama. dia boleh kata musik tu datangnya dari tuhan hindu entahapanama entah.

******-****** ni nak claim semua dia punya. semua ilmu itu asalnya daripada dia, yang agama lain tu tiru meniru. tetapi orang Islam menganggap semua ilmu daripada Allah, jadik tak kira whichever civilization yang jumpa ilmu tu, still tetap daripada Allah. sebab tu masa zman kebangkitan Islam, orang Islam mengambil ilmu dari mana mana dan mengembangkannya - contoh, Roman, Hindu dsb.

ko jangan percaya sangatlah cakap ****** ni. dah lah bau badan busuk. mulut pun busuk jugak. ****** ni memang terkenal kerana menipu.
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Post time 22-11-2007 10:58 PM | Show all posts
yaminz is correct. memang perangai ****** ****** masa ni nak memartabatkan agama Hindu. antara tipu-tipuan yang selalu gigi dengar ealah:

1. Hinduism is the mother of all religions. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all come from the same Vedic source. But the purest remain is Hinduism.

2. Sebelum Islam datang, Arab-arab jahilliayah memang beragama Hindu.

3. Hinduism adalah agama paling lengkap.

yang bessnya sekali, aku tengah borak ngan ****** ni dari negara India. dia borak pasal musik dan agama. dia boleh kata musik tu datangnya dari tuhan hindu entahapanama entah.

******-****** ni nak claim semua dia punya. semua ilmu itu asalnya daripada dia, yang agama lain tu tiru meniru. tetapi orang Islam menganggap semua ilmu daripada Allah, jadik tak kira whichever civilization yang jumpa ilmu tu, still tetap daripada Allah. sebab tu masa zman kebangkitan Islam, orang Islam mengambil ilmu dari mana mana dan mengembangkannya - contoh, Roman, Hindu dsb.

ko jangan percaya sangatlah cakap ****** ni. dah lah bau badan busuk. mulut pun busuk jugak. ****** ni memang terkenal kerana menipu.
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Post time 22-11-2007 10:59 PM | Show all posts

Reply #50 yaminz's post

yaminz is correct. memang perangai ****** ****** masa ni nak memartabatkan agama Hindu. antara tipu-tipuan yang selalu gigi dengar ealah:

1. Hinduism is the mother of all religions. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all come from the same Vedic source. But the purest remain is Hinduism.

2. Sebelum Islam datang, Arab-arab jahilliayah memang beragama Hindu.

3. Hinduism adalah agama paling lengkap.

yang bessnya sekali, aku tengah borak ngan ****** ni dari negara India. dia borak pasal musik dan agama. dia boleh kata musik tu datangnya dari tuhan hindu entahapanama entah.

******-****** ni nak claim semua dia punya. semua ilmu itu asalnya daripada dia, yang agama lain tu tiru meniru. tetapi orang Islam menganggap semua ilmu daripada Allah, jadik tak kira whichever civilization yang jumpa ilmu tu, still tetap daripada Allah. sebab tu masa zman kebangkitan Islam, orang Islam mengambil ilmu dari mana mana dan mengembangkannya - contoh, Roman, Hindu dsb.

ko jangan percaya sangatlah cakap ****** ni. dah lah bau badan busuk. mulut pun busuk jugak. ****** ni memang terkenal kerana menipu.
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Post time 22-11-2007 11:11 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sal_saiful at 21-11-2007 02:17 PM
.  Aku bkn la forumers superpower, tp aku tetap nak beri
pendapat aku..


oo..cerita pasal power...kalau kat porum ni CEO la yang paling superduperpower...nak kena tolak berapa? -30..-100...-300 ke -500...keh!!!...keh!!...keh!!
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Post time 22-11-2007 11:12 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sal_saiful at 21-11-2007 02:17 PM .  Aku bkn la forumers superpower, tp aku tetap nak beri pendapat aku..
oo..cerita pasal power...kalau kat porum ni CEO la yang paling superduperpower...nak kena tolak berapa? -30..-100...-300 ke -500...keh!!!...keh!!...keh!!
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