WE HAVE TO PERSEVERE PATIENTLY & GUARD AGAINST EVIL

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 4-2-2004 12:31 PM:
u think i hve time to read ur bull shit things. NO

I have already cautioned that your participation in this topic will be rejected, long ago - from the onset. The fact that you responded shows that you are feeling the sting. heheh. Anyway, I shall stick to my earlier decision - I shall ignore your futher uncalled for & unwelcomed disturbance. These are for my brothers & sisters in Islam.:2cool:

After God's law on circumcision was brushed aside by Paul, next went the dietary regulations, and other matters followed, one after another.

In a short period of time, God's Law had become nothing more than preparation for the 'saving power' of Jesus to the Christians -- something to no longer bother with.

While good works, according to Paul, would naturally "come" to a Christian, he better realize that good works alone would no longer ensure salvation; only faith in the 'saving power' of Jesus would do that.:stp:

What Did Paul Accomplish?

Paul gave the new Christians this doctrine of salvation by faith alone for one reason: to win converts among the Gentiles. They had observed the Jews and the rituals they undertook in their religious practices, and they were hesitant to make a commitment to Christianity because of a keen desire to steer clear of all the rules and regulations present in Mosaic Law.

This last doctrine, that of salvation by faith in Jesus alone, was by far the most radical, yet the one that ensured the success of Paul's ministry because it gave them exactly what they wanted, and they flocked to him in droves.

Jesus may not have had designs to go beyond the Jews with his message, nor to start a new religion, but Christianity was born and became a universal force, thanks to the teachings of Paul.

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The Islamic stand

God sent Jesus to the Jews because they had pushed the worship of God into the background in favor of details and elaborations of the Law. The 63 books of the Talmud -- commentaries on Jewish Law -- are proof of this.

For the Jew, salvation was attained by obeying God's Law.

Jesus was sent in an effort to get the Jews to realize that good works weren't everything -- one had to have faith in God, too. Jesus stressed over and over that "empty ritual and an insincere show of devotion" were not what God wanted in the way of worship; instead, the Jews were to follow earlier scriptures "with sincerity, inner piety and true God-consciousness".

This is what Jesus tirelessly preached, but it is not, unfortunately, what Christianity now stands for.

That message of Jesus 梉/color]

"...the first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is One Lord."

-- found in Mark 12:29, is nothing more than writing on a page. Paul set Jesus up as a divine being, then concocted an elaborate scheme of salvation around him that involves mere faith alone. Obedience to God's Law has been shoved aside, called a "curse".:re:

The Qur'an sets the matter straight once and for all by saying that the components of salvation are two: belief in the One God, and obedience to His Laws:

5:9


"To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward."

Baiduri Othman

Kennkid, I'm pushing your thread right to the top spot. Keep on posting cool stuff here.

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 5-2-2004 09:16 PM:
Kennkid, I'm pushing your thread right to the top spot. Keep on posting cool stuff here.

Thank you sis.

Salam

AN OVERVIEW OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES

Through use of these four doctrines -- that of divinity of Jesus, the trinity, atonement and salvation by faith -- Paul achieved phenomenal success in his ministry.

The Jews may have brushed Jesus aside, but the Gentiles flocked to Paul's side, as he gave them just what they wanted in their new religion. The term for the earlier followers of Jesus -- Nazarenes -- was dropped in favor of a new, more appropriate name: Christians, or followers of Jesus Christ.

This new religion of Christianity "...was abundantly interwoven with mythological content drawn heavily from pagan sources..." along with having a theology "...which was produced as the need arose to suit the mentality of the times...".

The Jews did brush Jesus aside; in a way, however, the religion of Christianity as conceived by Paul has also brushed Jesus aside. Despite what a Christian might say, one will find no evidence wherein Jesus himself puts forth any of the afore-mentioned doctrines within the Gospels. Since Jesus had no plans to start a new religion, it goes without saying that he also did not formulate any doctrines for such.

All Christian doctrines are the work of Paul, based on his desire to gain favor -- and new converts -- among the non Jews of his time. By incorporating pagan beliefs into the teachings of Jesus, Paul achieved phenomenal success in his ministry, but at the price of tearing down everything that true monotheism stands for.

In so doing, Paul abrogated all the teachings of Jesus and gave mankind a set of beliefs that have plagued his sense of reason ever since. It is here -- the true nature and role of Jesus, as opposed to the Christian view of such -- where we find the fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity.

It is interesting to note this fact about Christianity: "...those doctrinces which the Qur'an affirms can be easily proven to be part of the teachings of the early disciples, whereas those doctrines which the Qur'an rejects prove to be later Church additions, inspired by the philosophies and cults of pagan Greece and Rome".

Baiduri Othman

Originally posted by KENNKID at 2004-2-6 09:18 AM:
Thank you sis.

Salam

My reply:-

Salam Kennkid,

I'm pushing this thread right back to the top spot!;)

Truth.8

Originally posted by KENNKID at 6-2-2004 09:44 AM:
AN OVERVIEW OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES

Through use of these four doctrines -- that of divinity of Jesus, the trinity, atonement and sal ...

another opinion of yours again mr ipoh mali???

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 7-2-2004 09:22 PM:

My reply:-

Salam Kennkid,

I'm pushing this thread right back to the top spot!;)

Thanks again, sis. Just came back from Ipoh actually, to see my parents.;)

Salam Kennkid

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Christianity continued to digress

When the Jews continued to reject Jesus despite the fact that he was one of them, and despite the scope of his work, he told them that the covenant God had made with them was to be rescinded in the face of their stubbornness and hard-headedness:

"Therefore I say unto you, the Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof"' (Matthew 21:43)

The followers of Jesus eagerly latched onto this, seeing themselves as the new "Chosen People" of God.

By the fourth century, however, Christianity was well established as a religion: doctrines were formalized, as was a Canon of Scripture.

As seen earlier, the true teachings of Jesus were all but forgotten by Christians in favor of the teachings by Paul of Tarsus. Pagan beliefs and traditions were brought into Christianity by Paul in order to win converts among the pagan Gentiles of his time; all Christian doctrines have their roots in paganism. As more and more pagans converted to Christianity, this meant that more and more pagan beliefs found their way into Christianity.

Pagan holidays were "made over" into Christian holidays: the birthday of Mithras on December 25 became the birthday of Jesus (with the help of pagan rituals from the Roman festival of Saturnalia thrown in for good measure); the festival for the dead became All Saints' Day; the day set aside to celebrate the resurrection of the god Attis became the day set aside to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus (with various pagan fertility rites thrown in for good measure here, too).

The Jewish Sabbath, set by God on the seventh day of the week in the Mosaic Law, was changed by Christianity to the first day of the week. Sunday was figured to be the day in which Jesus rose from the dead, but it also must be kept in mind that, first and foremost, Sunday was the Mithraic "Day of the Conquering Sun".

Christian ideas on sexuality and marriage were heavily influenced by pagan traditions found in Neoplatonism, Stoicism and Gnosticism. All these religions thought sex to be an evil force, with monasticism and chastity being virtues to strive for; Christianity heartilly embraced such ideas, thus putting mankind and the family unit in a unnatural state that had never been decreed by God.

Pagan rituals and beliefs were annoying to early Christian missionaries, as these traditions were simply too entrenched for dislodgement by any means. In 598 C. E., Pope Gregory the Great came to the aid of the missionaries by issuing a bill which said that the priests should allow the people to continue using old customs and beliefs, but that such should be "steered" towards "the praise" of God.

Therefore, the people continued their belief in sorcery, witchcraft, hobgoblins, black magic, etc., as the priests told them that such delusions were "manifestations" of Satan.

Saints and '’holy relics" were also encouraged, as such were believed to have power to drive away the devil.

Christianity, with its heavy infusion of pagan beliefs and traditions, along with its having Jesus -- rather than God -- as the focus of faith, was a mess, plain and simple.

Truth.8

My life now much better before Islam. I doing great in my business and tomorrow I am doing renovation to my house. My business is increasing with good returns as well.

I am more bless now before Islam.

Baiduri Othman

Are you really sure??? Are you telling the truth? I think you earn your living by participating in this forum.

Truth.8

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 9-2-2004 12:22 AM:
Are you really sure??? Are you telling the truth? I think you earn your living by participating in this forum.

honsestly speaking I am doing great after I came out from Islam. My life is 100 time better.  u might wondering why i spend most of time  in this forum. well I am into e-commerce so I do lot of promotion in internet.

I feel more bless while spreading and exposing about Islam and Muhammad. With God blessing with my income, I should spend some of my earning here to exposed Islam and Muhammad.

I hope with God willing, I want to do more charity works to Chliderens welfare home , regardless religion and race.

In Jesus Name,
Amen

Truth.8

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Baiduri Othman

Could you kindly disclose your company's name here? Why not share with us? At least we know you're not lying.

Truth.8

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 9-2-2004 12:41 AM:
Could you kindly disclose your company's name here? Why not share with us? At least we know you're not lying.

why u want my company name??? u want to give to osama ladin? no thanks. ur umat are the destroy in the world, so I am not giving my company name. btw, I received lots of order from middle east and pakistan but I do not deal with them because they are all bull shits.

I rather do business with Europe, America, Britain or the People of the Book.

The People of NOT Book I shall not deal.

Baiduri Othman

The real truth, you don't own any business. You're lying. There aren't any business deals. You got paid by participating in this forum.

Truth.8

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 9-2-2004 12:50 AM:
The real truth, you don't own any business. You're lying. There were no business deals. You got paid by participating in this forum.

u creating ur own stories again.  i am not paid any singel cents for my participation. that is honestly speaking.

i spend most of my time in net for  business promotion so in meantime  I come here to expose islam and muhammad.

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The Necessity For Another Messenger

The Jews were lost in their books of Law; the Christians were lost in their veneration of a human prophet. It was God Almighty's compassionate will to give mankind one last opportunity to establish pure monotheism on earth.

As is known, the Prophet Abraham,  had two sons; in addition to Isaac, there was Ishmael, the elder to the two. When God made His covenant with Abraham concerning Isaac, He also had some words to say of Ishmael:

"And as for Ishamel, I have heard thee: Behold I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation." (Genesis 17:20)


The Covenant with Ishmael Is Fufilled

Ishmael and his mother settled in Arabia where they lived and developed, over the years, into that great nation which had been foretold by God. In 610 C.E., God's promise of blessing his progeny was fulfilled when a descendant of Ishmael, an upstanding 40-year-old merchant named Muhammad, was called by God to bring His Word to all mankind.

The covenant God had made with Abraham was now complete, and the establishment of pure monotheism -- Islam, or submission to the One God --was on its way to becoming a reality at last.

That blessing was indeed one of great power as Prophet Muhammad saw the firm establishment of Islam  take place during his lifetime, and he brought the Words of God to his people in a form that has remained unchanged to this very day.

The foundations of Islam are the foundations of true monotheism: worship of God and God alone, and obedience to His Law. Pure monotheism was once again restored.

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While Christianity is most definitely OF Jesus, it is most definitely not FROM Jesus. It bears no resemblance to the message brought by this Messenger from God. Instead, it has become a mass of convoluted theology built around the persona of a human being who was later turned into a god. In his book "Basic Christianity", John Stott puts forth an interesting thought:

"Essentially Christianity is Christ. The person and work of Christ are the foundation rock upon which the Christian religion is built. If he is not who he said he was, and if he didn't do what he had said he had come to do, the whole superstructure of Christianity crumbles in ruins to the ground..."

Prophet Muhammad, after a number of hassles with the Jews of Madinah on religious matters, said that theology is childish nonsense -- the enemy of religion. Islam, as a consequence, is a simple religion that is not buried beneath a maze of vague and illogical doctrines. There is no clergy, no hierarchy, no sacraments. Theology has no place in Islam, as it is a way of life -- not a bunch of words.:re:

Judaism, while somewhat side-tracked at times in their books of commentary on the Law, do have as a fundamental tenet of faith that God is One.

Islam stands for submission to the One God, with this concept of Oneness of God being its most fundamental belief.

Christianity, on the other hand, comes right out and says that its Master is Jesus Christ. According to Fritz Ridenour, "...we submit to his authority..."

We once again look at Matthew 4:10, where Jesus says:

"Thou shalt not prostrate before any but the Lord, your God. And Him alone shalt thou worship."

Jesus clearly states that God Alone is the one we must worship.

Religion is not a matter of conjecture and speeches, but of fact and conduct. True religion is a matter of conduct, which is the mark of sincerity on the part of the believer.

Our Christian brothers and sisters need to take these matters to heart: not only do they not live their religion -- except for Sundays -- but they have lost all connection with the teachings of the man whose name forms the very basis of their faith, taking to heart pagan beliefs and traditions which they attempt to cloak in the guise of monotheism. Our Christian friends most definitely have some deep soul searching to do.

As for the Muslim, he must, first of all, remember what God said in the Qur'an:

2:120


Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.  

We must then remember those last words revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad:

5:3


"......this day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion..."

(what is pasted from the Qur'an above is the full verse 5:3. The translation  is the last sentence from the verse, beginning from "alyawma akmaltu lakum deenukum... in the context of this topic)

When all is said and done, we must ever keep in mind these most important words from God:

21:18


Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us).  

Sadly, we have seen Christian Missionary & 'evangelistic' activity focused primarily on derailing Islam now more than any other period in history. Thus, we witness numerous charades and parodies coming from them in their attempts to twist, manipulate and outright molest historical and etymological facts. These polemics range from a variety of utterly hilarious to outright abusive and cruel ones.

One such dishonest polemic has been the allegation that when the Qur'an uses the name "Eesa" for Jesus it was actually a mistake on the part of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). They allege that out of contempt, the Jews called Jesus "Esau" after the rejected brother of Jacob as recorded in the Book of Genesis. Having supposedly heard this disparaging epithet for Jesus from the Jews, the Christian Missionaries allege that he recorded it by accident in the Qur'an as the name of Jesus.

Not withstanding the fact that there has never existed a single word even hinting at this in any document of recorded history, it is completely erroneous logically. Considering that the Muslims accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah, why would The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) choose to take the name of Jesus from the Jews who rejected him instead of the Christians?  

While conducting the research necessary to refute this fallacious christian missionary argument, I came across some amazing facts which I did not expect to find. According to the brother who discovered these facts, much of it he could not even dream of documenting on a single web page, and as you will notice (in the coming posts), the attempt to include as much as he could made the page very lengthy.

We will go through a brief summary of the research that he has made over the coming days.

Salam for now.

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