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Post time 30-9-2006 10:09 PM | Show all posts
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Originally posted by nice2000 at 29-9-2006 08:27
adakah dia berserah....sedangkan di dalam injil ada menyebut jesus menyeru dengan nada yang nyaring meminta pertolongan tuhan..........klu dia rela mesti dia redhakan je....yang peliknya dia kan tu ...


Matius 27:46
Kira-kira jam tiga berserulah Yesus dengan suara nyaring: "Eli, Eli, lama sabakhtani?"* Artinya: Allah-Ku, Allah-Ku, mengapa Engkau meninggalkan Aku?

ini bukan seruan meminta tolong, tetapi pertanyaan...
sekiranya saya bercakap dengan anda dengan suara yang nyaring adakah itu maknanya saya meminta pertolongan saudara?

Kenapa Allah meninggalkan Yesus, sebab Yesus sarat dengan dosa-dosa manusia yang ditanggungnya. Dosa memisahkan Yesus dengan Allah
sama juga dengan ketika Adam jatuh dalam dosa, dosa memisahkan dia dengan Allah. Dia diusir keluar dari taman eden

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Post time 1-10-2006 01:32 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by nice2000 at 29-9-2006 07:27 AM
adakah dia berserah....sedangkan di dalam injil ada menyebut jesus menyeru dengan nada yang nyaring meminta pertolongan tuhan..........klu dia rela mesti dia redhakan je....yang peliknya dia kan tu ...

Kalau Dia tidak berserah... Dia melarikan diri. Macam kisah seorg yg mengaku dirinya nabi (nabi palsu). ada 16 isteri, 27 kali terlibat dlm peperangan dlm masa kurang dari 15 tahun... dua kali melarika diri dari peperangan(diserang). Berapa kali kalah saya tak ingat. Kitab dia, dia tipu kata jatuh dari langit (diturunkan oleh Tuhan)...
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Post time 2-10-2006 08:22 AM | Show all posts
napa dia nak berserah sedangkan dia tuhan.......dia yang menentukan segalanya.....

klu rumah terbakar.orang panggil dengan lemah lembut ke???????sudah pasti nyaring betul x......ke sy salah

adam meninggalkan syurga kerana dosa sebab dia bukan tuhan.......dosa tu kan tuhan yang tentukan..

klu jesus tuhan napa dia ada dosa....x kan tuhan ada dosa.........
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Post time 2-10-2006 09:06 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by tiM at 1-10-2006 01:32 PM

Kalau Dia tidak berserah... Dia melarikan diri. Macam kisah seorg yg mengaku dirinya nabi (nabi palsu). ada 16 isteri, 27 kali terlibat dlm peperangan dlm masa kurang dari 15 tahun... dua kali me ...


Dan akhirnya mati diracun oleh pengikut sendiri.....macam cerita telemovie pula...:nyorok:
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Post time 2-10-2006 11:46 AM | Show all posts
DENGAN NAMA ALLAH YANG MAHA PEMURAH DAN MAHA MENGASIHANI,TIADALAH TUHAN YANG LAYAK DISEMBAH MELAINKAN ALLAH.

Macam kisah seorg yg mengaku dirinya nabi (nabi palsu). ada 16 isteri, 27 kali terlibat dlm peperangan dlm masa kurang dari 15 tahun... dua kali melarika diri dari peperangan(diserang). Berapa kali kalah saya tak ingat. Kitab dia, dia tipu kata jatuh dari langit (diturunkan oleh Tuhan)...

sapa kah gerangan di atas??????????????
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Post time 2-10-2006 06:20 PM | Show all posts
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Originally posted by nice2000 at 2-10-2006 08:22
napa dia nak berserah sedangkan dia tuhan.......dia yang menentukan segalanya.....

klu rumah terbakar.orang panggil dengan lemah lembut ke???????sudah pasti nyaring betul x......ke sy salah

a ...


tak paham-paham lagi ke? Jesus tidak berdosa tetapi  menanggung DOSA manusia. Kalau tak paham doktrin Trinity sampai bila pun saudara takkan paham. Berbuih mulut aku kasi terang pun, tak berguna. suda diterangkan banyak kali Jesus is both HUMAN and DIVINE. sebagai Manusia he act like HUMAN lah.

Jesus cuma bercakap dengan suara nyaring bukannya menjerit meminta tolong. "Mengapa engkau meninggalkan aku?" adakah itu meminta tolong supaya dia diselamatkan daripada hukuman salib?

baca betul-betul!


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Post time 3-10-2006 02:43 PM | Show all posts
tuhan akan tanggung dosa manusia ke????dosa tu bukan tuhan yang tentukan ke??napa lak dia nak tanggung.......ke kristian lain....
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Post time 3-10-2006 08:55 PM | Show all posts

Sr Mod,

hahahahahahahah!
Kalau utk buat dia faham,, saya rasa jgn buang masa. Tapi kalau anda ada visi yg lebih dari itu, silakan teruskan penerangan step yg selanjutnya... kerana ramai yg tak tahu tapi boleh berfikir turut membaca. mereka akan faham... Tak perlu forkus pada kehendak dia sgt yg penting mesej yg disampaikan diperlukan oleh para pembaca lain.
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Post time 20-4-2007 03:49 PM | Show all posts
hahahaha,,, pasal triniti nie saya dah paham,,,

tapi ,,,pasal apa yg nice2000 cakap kat post #87 tu saya rasa pelik dan masih menunggu jawapan dari pihak kristian,,,,

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Post time 11-8-2007 11:50 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by nice2000 at 3-10-2006 02:43 PM
tuhan akan tanggung dosa manusia ke????dosa tu bukan tuhan yang tentukan ke??napa lak dia nak tanggung.......ke kristian lain....


Kalau bukan Yesus, sapa lagi? Muhammad tak rela oii!!!

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Post time 23-8-2007 02:52 PM | Show all posts

Reply #87 nice2000's post



..Tuhan cuma menghakimi dosa/perbuatan kita.. oleh itu segala perbuatan/percakapan kita tentang Tuhan Yesus jgn dibuat main..
Di akhirnya kita akan temui juga balasannya... berfikirlah..
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Post time 30-1-2008 02:05 PM | Show all posts
salam..

jz wondering..
klau tuhan tanggung dosa manusia..
then..knape ade neraka?
org buat dosa..msuk neraka..
so tuhan msuk skali?
or else..supposedly..there should no existence of hell at all..
but y god created hell?
or tuhan tanggung dosa jesus only?
its unfair at all..
god should be fair..

sorry to ask..
i'm following your guys issues here..
this is my 1st q in dis forum..
juz for my knowledge..coz my bf is a christian..
dats all..
no offense..sorry
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Post time 30-1-2008 02:44 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by dila_sm99 at 30-1-2008 02:05 PM
salam..

jz wondering..
klau tuhan tanggung dosa manusia..
then..knape ade neraka?
org buat dosa..msuk neraka..
so tuhan msuk skali?
or else..supposedly..there should no existence of hell at all..
but y god created hell?
or tuhan tanggung dosa jesus only?
its unfair at all..
god should be fair..

sorry to ask..
i'm following your guys issues here..
this is my 1st q in dis forum..
juz for my knowledge..coz my bf is a christian..
dats all..
no offense..sorry


Neraka tu sebenarnya khas untuk syaitan dan sekutu2nya... Takkan Tuhan nak bawa diorang balik pi surga setelah Dia hempapkan diorang kat bumi. Mana la ada peluang camtu yang Tuhan bagi lagi..

Tapi ya la kan... manusia ni, Tuhan tak paksa2, samada nak ikut sapa, tapi ada la pulak yang nak ikut si penderhaka besar tu. Jadi, Tuhan nak buat camana.. Penghakiman tetap penghakiman, Tuhan memang adil dalam menghakimi. DilihatNya salah, neraka mari. DilihatNya benar, sorga masuk pegi la!!
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Post time 30-1-2008 03:20 PM | Show all posts
owh..ok..
tp..tuhan tanggung dosa manusia kan?
there's shouldnt be any sin still..izzit?
then..xkan la nak tanggung smpai masuk neraka sndri?
tanggung smpai bila?
ouh..fair in justice..
so..tuhan tanggung dosa jesus sorg je ke
not to others?

juz curious..sorry
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Post time 30-1-2008 05:19 PM | Show all posts
God sent Jesus to be sacrificed so that anyone who repent and accept Jesus as their savior shall not perish.

Jesus is SINLESS, he is the perfect sacrifice that wash away our sins when we accept him.
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Post time 30-1-2008 09:58 PM | Show all posts

Reply #95 Shwein1990's post

If indeed God  sent Jesus just to redeem the artificial 'inherited sin' He may just command  the mother Mary to have Jesus sacrificed ( kill) when he was circumcised at eight days old. call and  announce to all the sinners to accept Jesus as their Saviour. Why worry, because ' three-days' later infant Jesus shall live again.

But do we have to bear the sin of Adam in the first place? The bible said 'No' as follows :
Ezekiel, 18:20.  'The Soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.'

Again in Samuel, 15:22  'Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offering and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.'

This clearly states that obeying God is better than sacrifice whether the sacrifice is of objects, animals, humans, or any other types.

Didn't Jesus declared, that he did not come to abolish the Laws and the prophets, but to fulfil it?
And to have eternal life, obey God's commandments.

Do you know that there is a country nearby, during Easther -days every year, there is carnival that the faithfuls sacrificed themselves by nailing on the crosses in the public. When the process is over, came down, squatting on the ground smoking cigarretes.  Good for attractions for tourism in and out of the country.
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Post time 30-1-2008 10:27 PM | Show all posts

Reply #90 witara's post

Siapa kata tidak rela oi!
Banyak orang rela oi!
Sebab janji tiga hari boleh hidup semula!
Tetapi manusia tempatan sekarang, janji mesti ada bayaran yang lumayan!
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Post time 30-1-2008 10:55 PM | Show all posts
"Do you know that there is a country nearby, during Easther -days every year, there is carnival that the faithfuls sacrificed themselves by nailing on the crosses in the public. When the process is over, came down, squatting on the ground smoking cigarretes.  Good for attractions for tourism in and out of the country."

LOL LOL LOL!!!   ahem... sry, er.... so how does this related to crucifixion?

anyway, read this: (PLEASE!!!)
http://www.ankerberg.org/Article ... ionary/TD0204W3.htm


EDIT: Oh, er... if the baby was sacrificed.. WHO WILL KNOW JESUS SACRIFICED!??!? WHO WILL EVEN ACTUALLY BOTHER OF A BABY SACRIFICED?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[ Last edited by  Shwein1990 at 30-1-2008 10:57 PM ]
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Post time 31-1-2008 01:29 AM | Show all posts

Reply #98 Shwein1990's post

Well! I am not laughing at their nostlagic actions.
If I had to laugh, maybe on the part of squatting and smoking, because no matter how holy the man is, as a member of a chain smoker is always in love with the cigarettes, cannot part from it.
But they made it, not smoking while performing the crucifiction (crucifixion) scripts... haaaah...hahaha... ops! sorry.

And the reading requested... I can understand why the christian gentiles wanted Jesus to die by crucifixion. Their salvations hang on that. No die, no saviour from the inherited sin, therefore no eternal life in heaven. Morally right or not, Jesus guilty or not he must be forced to die.
But again, God in the bible earlier had told that, any false prophet claimed to be the prophet of God which he is not, shall die by prosecution and not by natural death.
Remember, in the bible too, Jesus was reluctant to die, at the Garden of Gethsamane he did prayed to God to 'to let this cup pass from me...'
Do you think God didn't answered positively on His request for rescue? Of course God did, God's ways are not our ways.

Baby cannot be sacrificed? why not? he has the name Jesus already. Why must it be important that people should know Jesus sacrifice. People who have long died before, they did not know either. Nor do the future generations. All this while it was the bible hot gospelers do the preachings.
A bit funny though.
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Post time 31-1-2008 10:22 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by dila_sm99 at 30-1-2008 03:20 PM
owh..ok..
tp..tuhan tanggung dosa manusia kan?
there's shouldnt be any sin still..izzit?
then..xkan la nak tanggung smpai masuk neraka sndri?


Sebab tu pengorbanan Yesus adalah suatu anugerah yang tak ternilai. Dia tak berdosa, tapi sanggup menanggung hukuman orang yang sepatutnya dihukum. Mana ada orang mcm tu sampai bila2..Melarikan diri dari keadaan seperti itu, ada lah.. apa lagi kalau bukan salah kita.Nak membela diri konon sampai nak rak! Hahah!!

Dunia jatuh ke dalam dosa sejak Adam dan Hawa pertama kali berbuat dosa. Dosa takkan hilang sejak itu dari dunia. Dalam Alkitab Perjanjian Lama menyatakan, untuk menyucikan diri dari dosa supaya layak masuk ke dalam Bait Allah atau menghadap Tuhan Allah, seseorang itu haruslah mengorbankan seekor domba yang suci(masih dara) - tidak bercacat di hadapan Allah. Maka dengan itu, dia diperkenankan Allah. Cuba bayangkan kalau setiap hari kita mengorbankan sejumlah binatang hanya untuk membuat korban bagi Allah sebagai tanda permohonan pengampunan kita sebagai manusia terhadap dosa2 yg telah kita lakukan.....??????

Maka, Tuhan Allah telah menjanjikan seseorang turun ke dunia untuk menjadi pengganti semua korban2 itu, iaitu penebus dosa SEMUA manusia yang mau menerima korban tersebut. Bukan sahaja sebagai ganti korban, tetapi juga membawa Keselamatan.

http://www.indonesiaindonesia.com/f/11952-nubuatan-dipenuhi/



tanggung smpai bila?
ouh..fair in justice..
so..tuhan tanggung dosa jesus sorg je ke
not to others?


Yang menanggung dosa manusia ialah Yesus. Sebab itu dalam Kristian Dia dipanggil Korban yang Mulia. Sejak Yesus menjadi korban, terpulanglah kepada manusia untuk menerima darahNya(spiritually) sebagai perjanjian damai dengan Tuhan Allah, atau terus hidup dalam dunia yang selamanya penuh dosa ini tanpa apa2 jaminan untuk berhadapan dengan Tuhan Allah yang Maha Suci.

Pengorbanan Yesus adalah untuk SEMUA ORANG. Bukan hanya utk org Kristian, Yahudi, tetapi SESIAPA saja yg mau menerima Dia.

Terima kasih
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