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antiQue

Zionist is subset of Jew... Jew is not necessarily zionist...

Iaye

Originally posted by antiQue at 29-6-2006 12:34 AM
Zionist is subset of Jew... Jew is not necessarily zionist...

erm AntiQue.. yang lagi satu tu apa eh?..

ada ke Jew yang .. erm baik? :hmm:

Jukebox

Topik yang menarik sebab saya banyak buat kajian yang berkaitan.....

Pernah dengar nama keluarga "Rothschild" ? yang dalam bahasa Jerman bermaksud Red Sign yang dilukis keluarga ini dipintu rumah mereka.....Red Sign atau Rothschild itu adalah lambang kononnya star of David (sebenarnya pentagram) dan juga lambang negara Israel (bezanya dari merah diubah ke kaler biru)

Mulanya nama kerluarga ini ialah Bauer tapi ditukar kepada Rothschild, mereka ni asalnya orang Yahudi yang tinggal di Frankfurt Jerman dan mengamalkan perniagaan money lender berasaskan pembayaran balik dengan menggunakan bunga (pada waktu itu orang2 christian di eropah mengharamkan peminjam mengenakan bunga), so cuma masyarakat kecil yahudi disana sahaja mengamalkannya antara sesama mereka.

Dengan kebijaksanaan dan dengan taktik2 yang kotor, Rothschild ini mereka dapat mengembangkan perniagaan mereka ke England, France, Austria dan USA dan mencengkam kerajaan2 disana semuanya supaya berhutang dengan mereka dan akhirnya negara2 berkenaan terpaksa tunduk kepada telunjuk mereka.

1st Bank of America, Federal Reserves, Fort Knox dan banyak lagi adalah milik mereka. Mereka yang mengasaskan sistem perbankan dan menetapkan harga emas setiap hari. Mereka juga pengasas zionist dan negara Israel wujud sebab mereka.....

Panjang cerita sebenarnya, cuba ikut kronologi keluarga mereka disini http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewcommentary.php?storyid=121  

Secara tak sedar kita hidup didunia ini meminjam, menyimpan dan membayar kepada bank atau institusi kewangan yang diasaskan dan diwujudkan oleh mereka.

Rothschild pengkhianat kepada semua manusia didunia tetapi malangnya ramai orang islam tak mahu mengkaji untuk mengetahui akan sejarah walau sudah diberi amaran oleh Allah didalam al Quran mengenai mambayar serta memberi faedah/bunga dan berhati2 dengan muslihat Yahudi

[ Last edited by  Jukebox at 29-6-2006 07:04 AM ]

antiQue

Originally posted by Iaye at 29-6-2006 02:02 AM


erm AntiQue.. yang lagi satu tu apa eh?..

ada ke Jew yang .. erm baik? :hmm:

I don't like to talk about this, coz from experience, topik Yahudi ni biasanya mengundang pandangan skeptikal dari sesetengah pihak

But post ini just sekadar nak menjawab soalan Iaye ni. Golongan zionist adalah golongan yg menyokong  gerakan dan ideology yg membawa mereka kembali ke tanah mereka, Israel. Walau bagaimanapun, religious orthodox Jews mostly anti-zionism kerana mereka berpendapat gerakan ini  bertentangan dengan Torah, antara yg famous digolongkan sebagai Naturei Karta dan Satmar. Mereka mengatakan Yahudi tidak sepatutnya kembali menduduki Israel, sehingga datangnya Messiah. Hanya Messiah yg akan membawa mereka kembali ke tanah mereka dengan penyatuan. Jadi mereka ni masih lagi hidup dalam buangan (they recognised the fact that mereka dihalau oleh Tuhan dari tanah mereka) di US dan negara-negara Eropah. Mereka berpendapat pendudukan Israel ni sebagai satu kekufuran kepada Tuhan.

Bila Iaye tanya baik ke tu, pada saya tak perlu saya jawab. Mereka ini masih Yahudi.  Namun saya percaya, golongan sebegini lah yg Nabi Isa (Messiah yg mereka tunggu) akan lead dan bawa kepada kebenaran.

Mungkin agaknya Iaye pernah tengok gambar sebegini (masa saya di UK, saya pernah tengok mereka berdemonstrasi di London, tapi tak terpikir pun nak ambik gambar) :





[ Last edited by  antiQue at 29-6-2006 11:37 AM ]

ajis_kg

HaNye InGinKaN MaKlUmaT.. SaYe BaNyaK Yg taK FaHaM pasaL peRaNg IsRaEl DeNgaN paLesTiN! TerBaCe DlM N.PaPer baRu2 ini TtG IsRaEl aKaN MeNyeRaNg paLesTiN JiKa TiDaK MeNyeRaHkaN SeOrG TaHaNaN IsRaEl SeDaNgkaN IsRaEl teLaH meNaHaN 9,000 Org PaLesTiN. KaDaNg2 PerKaRa Ini daH JadI TaK LogIK.. KeJaHaTaN SYaItaN InI DaH Mmg TaHaP terLaMpaU.





1. JiKa KiTe TaHu KeJaHaTaN isRaEL.. KeNaPe MasIh aDE DuNia IsLaM Yg MasIh BerHuBunGaN DgN IsRaEL? KeNaPe DuNia IsLaM TidaK haPusKaN saJe IsRaEl dI MuKa BuMi INi?

2. WuJuDKaN KeaDiLaN OleH PBB/OiC DlM PeRaNg IsRaEl DaN PaLesTiN? JiKa TiDaK! KeNaPe? TeLaH JeLas BerLaKuNya KeKeJaMaN.

3. BeNaRKaH aDe HaDis Yg meNyaTaKaN JiKa BuMi PalesTiN teLaH aMaN MaKa aKaN BerLaKuNya KiaMaT?

4. aPeKaH TinDaKaN Yg TuaN SelaKu IndIvIdU DlM MeNgNaNgaNi PerKaRa InI aGaR MeNjadI IkuTaN ForuMer LaIn?

Iaye

Originally posted by antiQue at 29-6-2006 08:49 AM


I don't like to talk about this, coz from experience, topik Yahudi ni biasanya mengundang pandangan skeptikal dari sesetengah pihak

But post ini just sekadar nak menjawab soalan Iaye ni.  ...

Thanks for the information , AntiQue..:tq:

Hmm....Nasihat aku bagi orang-orang Islam kat sana janganlah benci sangat orang Yahudi...Bukan semua
orang yahudi jahat..Lagipun orang Yahudi punya adat ada banyak persamaan dengan Islam..memang x
dapat difanikan orang islam akan pandang rendah kat aku sekiranya aku menjadi sahabat kepada seorang perempuan yahudi kat New Zealand....Ingat bukan semua orang Yahudi adalah daripada anak cucu-cicit israeil dan bukan semua Kaum Bani israeil adalah orang Yahudi....Golongan-golongan Zionist yang memerintah
bumi palestin dan melakukan kekejaman kat sana bukanlah daripada keturunan Bani israeil tapi sebaliknya  
menyamar mereka adalah orang-orang gasar yang memluk agama Yahudi dan budaya Talmud. Tunggulah, aku akan bocorkan rahsia yang selama ni telah mengaburi mata orang-orang Islam dan Kristian di Malaysia.
Baca article di bawah seperti berikut :

History of 'Jews'



BY BENJAMIN FREEDMAN

What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because they are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them as so-called Jews, because I know what they are.) The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe. They set up a large Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the time, Russia did not exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.


They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was also the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. The Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam, or what is known today as Judaism, which is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny, meeny, miney, moe," he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion.

He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools, and his people became what we call Jews. There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, "You want to help repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, their ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys as your Lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and you kneel and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews." But they are pagan Khazars who were converted just the same as the Irish were converted.

It is as ridiculous to call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be to call the 54 million Chinese Moslems "Arabs." Mohammed only died in 620 A.D., and since then 54 million Chinese have accepted Islam as their religious belief. Now imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from Mecca and Mohammed's birthplace. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to call themselves "Arabs." You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who believes that those 54 million Chinese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did was adopt as a religious faith a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants. They hadn't become a different people. They were the same people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because their king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So the Khazars became what we call today Jews.

Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian countries of the world to say, "We're going to use our power and prestige to repatriate God's Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their Promised Land." Could there be a bigger lie than that?

Because they control the newspapers, the magazines, the radio, the television, the book publishing business, and because they have the ministers in the pulpit and the politicians on the soapboxes talking the same language, it is not too surprising that you believe that lie. You'd believe black is white if you heard it often enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore -- you'd start to call black white. And nobody could blame you.

That is one of the great lies of history. It is the foundation of all the misery that has befallen the world.

Kol Nidre: Evidence of Disloyalty


Untuk maklumat lanjut, layarilah : http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=110

pipi

Tak faham bahasa inggeris.......

adoi..susahlah kalau macam tu.....suruh orang yang paham bahasa inggeris terjemahkan....article ni ditulis oleh seorang Yahudi yang berpaling Tadah daripada gerakan Zionist...dia kata orang-orang yang
mendakwa diri mereka sebagai orang yahudi padahlah bukan orang yahudi tapi kaum turki-mongalia iaitu
orang-orang gasar di Eropah Timur yang memluk agama Yahudi....bangsa ni tak pernah menjejakkan kaki
mereka di Bumi Palestin dan sekarang mereka mendakwa Tanah Suci Baitulmuqadis milik mereka.Mereka ni semua penyamar.Mereka bukannya kerturunana Bani israeil mahupun Nabi ishaq.Mereka ni semua
penyamar..Mereka ni orang-orang gasar yang suka menumpahkan darah dan menyembelih orang.
Masa mereka memberontak untuk melawan kerajaan arab palestin pada Tahun 1945 , mereka telah meminta bantuan senjata dan sokongan daripada Amerika dengan mengatakan  kepada amerika yang nabi isa adalah bangsa yahudi dan selama ni m nabi Isa yang mereka anggap Tuhan adalah daripada golongan bangsa
terpilih. Oleh itu, Amerika dengan membuta-babi tulinya menolong Bangsa yang kononya terpilih padahal
semuanya peniupu besar .Lagi satu, mana ada orang yahudi kulit macam orang putih mahupun macam
orang Russia.Sebenarnya kebanyakkan orang yahudi dpd keturunan Bani Israeil adalah dpd suku bangsa semitik iaitu mempunyai rambut mereka kerinting sikit dan juga mata hitam..Contoh terbaik orang yahudi sebenar adalah golongan-golongan ortodoks..... Kalau kita lihat rupa Ariel Sharon dan Ehud Olmert, muka mereka x da langsung mirip golongan bangsa-bangsa semitik....Macam muka orang eropah Timur adalah.....

tuah_r

nabi2 pon selamba jer kene bunuh dgn israel nie,apetah nyawa budak2 palestin

nak harapkan PBB wat per?kutuk tindakan israel? PBB bawah US,US bawah israel...dier org nie mmg bongkak...tapi tak bleh deny yg kepala otak dier org very brilliant

Memang x dapat dinafikan banyak Nabi dibunuh oleh bani israeil.Oleh sebab itu, sekarang orang yahudi
banyak dibunuh sewaktu peristiwa Holocaust. Golongan-golongan Yahudi ortodoks sedar akan mengapa
bencana ini Allah turunkan kepada mereka disebabkan dosa-dosa nenek moyang mereka yang pernah
membunuh nabi.Oleh itu, mereka sekarang lebih rela menentang gerakan Zionist dan juga Pertubuhan
Negara Israeil disebabkan mereka sedar akan kesilamapan mereka.Yang kat Israeil tu semuanya x sedar diri.Bukan itu sahaja,mereka memang bukan bani Israeil, itu pasal mereka berani tubuhakan negara yang
bernama Israeil.kalau Bani Israeil sebenar akan sedar akan kesilapan yang mereka lakukan dahulu. So Nasihat aku kepada orang islam kat luar sana, jangan terlalu benci sangat orang yahudi. Belum bersemuka,belum tahu.Aku pun mcm korang jugak dulu ingat semua orang yahudi jahat dan ingat mrk sokong israeil, rupan-rupanya banyak juga yang menentang. mereka lebih rela ikut kitab taurat mereka yang mengajar mereka
"supaya setia kepada kerajaan-kerajaan di negera mereka diami dan amalakan ajaran didalam Taurat".
tetapi gerakan Zionist yang bertujuan untuk menubuhkan Negara Kebangsaan yahudi adalah bercanggah dalam apa yang terkandung dalam Taurat.

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YAHUDI menganggap mereka bangsa pilihan dan bangsa-bangsa lain mereka panggil kafir atau goyem. Agama Yahudi hanya untuk mereka cenderung untuk bersikap ekskusif, menolak orang lain kerana berasa bangsa lain tidak setaraf dengan mereka.

Memang benar apa mereka bangsa terpilih, tetapi......itu dahulu.....
Pada Zaman Nabi Musa,daud dan Sulaiman memang x dapat dinafikan mereka bangsa terpilih. Allah telah memilih bangsa mereka atas daripada golongan  Al-amin (jin dan manusia)  tetapi lama-kelamaan mereka telah menjadi bongkak, takbur dan berani ingakar perintah Allah.Itu yang menyebakan nabi daud(A.s)
dan juga Nabi Isa (A.S.) menyumpah serana dan melaknati mereka ....

ada sesiapa baca buku pawn of the game atau yg dah di melayu oleh "KUSZA" bidak-bidak percaturan.

Buku ni ada cerita pasal semua konspirasi Yahudi utk menguasai dunia. dari peperangan pertama, penubuhan k'jaan komunis,  napolean jadi king perancis, pembunuhan raja UK, raja berpalimen di UK, penubuhan Bakn of england, peperangan england belanda dan banyak lagi...

alhaadi2

Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews

Level: Basic

FriendsJudaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.

Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people. Although we refer to ourselves as G-d's chosen people, we do not believe that G-d chose the Jews because of any inherent superiority. According to the Talmud (Avodah Zarah 2b), G-d offered the Torah to all the nations of the earth, and the Jews were the only ones who accepted it. The story goes on to say that the Jews were offered the Torah last, and accepted it only because G-d held a mountain over their heads! (In Ex. 19:17, the words generally translated as "at the foot of the mountain" literally mean "underneath the mountain"!) Another traditional story suggests that G-d chose the Jewish nation because they were the lowliest of nations, and their success would be attributed to G-d's might rather than their own ability. Clearly, these are not the ideas of a people who think they are better than other nations.

Because of our acceptance of Torah, Jews have a special status in the eyes of G-d, but we lose that special status when we abandon Torah. Furthermore, the blessings that we received from G-d by accepting the Torah come with a high price: Jews have a greater responsibility than non-Jews. While non-Jews are only obligated to obey the seven commandments given to Noah, Jews are responsible for fulfilling the 613 mitzvot in the Torah, thus G-d will punish Jews for doing things that would not be a sin for non-Jews.
The Seven Laws of Noah

According to traditional Judaism, G-d gave Noah and his family seven commandments to observe when he saved them from the flood. These commandments, referred to as the Noahic or Noahide commandments, are inferred from Genesis Ch. 9, and are as follows: 1) to establish courts of justice; 2) not to commit blasphemy; 3) not to commit idolatry; 4) not to commit incest and adultery; 5) not to commit bloodshed; 6) not to commit robbery; and 7) not to eat flesh cut from a living animal. These commandments are fairly simple and straightforward, and most of them are recognized by most of the world as sound moral principles. Any non-Jew who follows these laws has a place in the world to come.

The Noahic commandments are binding on all people, because all people are descended from Noah and his family. The 613 mitzvot of the Torah, on the other hand, are only binding on the descendants of those who accepted the commandments at Sinai and upon those who take on the yoke of the commandments voluntarily (by conversion). In addition, the Noahic commandments are applied more leniently to non-Jews than the corresponding commandments are to Jews, because non-Jews do not have the benefit of Oral Torah to guide them in interpreting the laws. For example, worshipping G-d in the form of a man would constitute idolatry for a Jew; however, according to some sources, the Christian worship of Jesus does not constitute idolatry for non-Jews.

There is a growing movement of non-Jews who have consciously accepted these seven laws of Noah and chosen to live their lives in accordance with these laws. This movement is referred to as B'nei Noach (Children of Noah). For more information about the B'nei Noach movement and the Noahic commandments, see Chavurath B'nei Noach of Fort Worth, Texas.
Goyim, Shiksas and Shkutzim

The most commonly used word for a non-Jew is goy. The word "goy" means "nation," and refers to the fact that goyim are members of other nations, that is, nations other than the Children of Israel.

There is nothing inherently insulting about the word "goy." In fact, the Torah occasionally refers to the Jewish people using the term "goy." Most notably, in Exodus 19:6, G-d says that the Children of Israel will be "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation," that is, a goy kadosh. Because Jews have had so many bad experiences with anti-Semitic non-Jews over the centuries, the term "goy" has taken on some negative connotations, but in general the term is no more insulting than the word "gentile."

The more insulting terms for non-Jews are shiksa (feminine) and shkutz (masculine). I gather that these words are derived from the Hebrew root Shin-Qof-Tzade, meaning loathsome or abomination. The word shiksa is most commonly used to refer to a non-Jewish woman who is dating or married to a Jewish man, which should give some indication of how strongly Jews are opposed to the idea of intermarriage. The term shkutz is most commonly used to refer to an anti-Semitic man. Both terms can be used in a less serious, more joking way, but in general they should be used with caution.

If you are offended to hear that Jewish culture has a negative term for non-Jews, I would recommend that you stop and think about the many negative terms and stereotypes that your culture has for Jews.
Interfaith Marriages

I once received a message from a man who told me that many Jews do not like gentiles. He knew this because his (Jewish) girlfriend's friends and parents disapproved of him. I explained that these people did not disapprove of him because he was Christian; they disapproved of him because he was a Christian dating a Jew, which is another issue altogether.

Traditional Judaism does not permit interfaith marriages. The Torah states that the children of such marriages would be lost to Judaism (Deut. 7:3-4), and experience has shown the truth of this passage all too well. The 2000 National Jewish Population Survey found that only a third of interfaith couples raise their children Jewish, despite increasing efforts in the Reform and Conservative communities to welcome interfaith couples.

This may reflect the fact that Jews who intermarry are not deeply committed to their religion in the first place: if they were, why would they marry someone who did not share it? Certainly, the statistics show that intermarried Jews are overwhelmingly less likely to be involved in Jewish activities: 85% of Jewish couples have or attend a Pesach seder, while only 41% if intermarried Jews do; 66% of Jewish couples fast on Yom Kippur while only 26% if intermarried Jews do; 59% of Jewish couples belong to a synagogue while only 15% of intermarried Jews do. These statistics and more are sufficiently alarming to be a matter of great concern to the Jewish community. And the rate of intermarriage has grown dramatically in recent years: according to the Jewish Databank, the rate of intermarriage has risen from 13% in 1970 to 47% since 1996, though the rate if intermarriage seems to have stopped increasing. One Orthodox Jew I know went so far as to state that intermarriage is accomplishing what Hitler could not: the destruction of the Jewish people. That is an extreme view, but it vividly illustrates how seriously many Jews take the issue of intermarriage.

The more liberal branches of Judaism have tried to embrace intermarried couples, hoping to slow the hemmorhaging from our community, but it is questionable how effective this has been in stemming the tide, given the statistics that intermarried couples are unlikely to have any Jewish involvement or to raise their children Jewish.

Dennis Prager and Joseph Telushkin provide an excellent discussion of the issues involved in intermarriage in their book The Nine Questions People Ask About Judaism (Simon & Schuster, 1981). They note that if the non-Jewish spouse truly shares the same values as the Jewish spouse, then the non-Jew is welcome to convert to Judaism, and if the non-Jew does not share the same values, then the couple should not be marrying in the first place.
If you are considering interfaith dating or marriage, consider this:

Many people who are considering interfaith marriage or dating casually dismiss any objections as prejudice, but there are some practical matters you should consider. And before you casually dismiss this as ivory tower advice from a Jewish ghetto, let me point out that both my father and my brother are intermarried, as well as several of my cousins.

The Stereotypes
    Why are you not seeking out a Jewish partner? If you ask many Jews why they don't want to date other Jews, you will hear the ugliest list of antisemitic stereotypes this side of Nazi propaganda. They will tell you that Jewish men are cheap, neurotic mamma's boys, not handsome and macho like gentile men. They will tell you that Jewish women are frigid, materialistic and plain, not fun and sexy like gentile women. Interestingly, the stereotypes you hear from gentiles seeking Jews are quite different: that Jewish men are good providers, that they treat women well, that they don't abuse women or get drunk, and they don't sleep around; that Jewish women are smart, level-headed and loyal, not bubble-headed bimbos. In fact, there are quite a lot of gentiles who have registered for JDate, a Jewish dating network, because they specifically want to date and marry a Jew. If you think the negative stereotypes don't fit you, what makes you think they fit Jews of the opposite sex?

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The Marriage
    Where will you get married, who will perform the ceremony and where and how will it be performed? Most movements of Judaism don't allow interfaith marriages to be performed in their synagogues, nor do they allow their rabbis to perform interfaith marriages, and before you casually dismiss this as bigotry, let's remember that you are asking them to put a religious stamp of approval on an act that has nothing to do with their religion. But now that you know you may have to be married in a church: how do you feel about being married under a cross or crucifix? How will your relatives feel when they are told, "in Jesus's name, let us say 'Amen'," as happened at an interfaith marriage in my family?
The Holidays
    What will you do when Christmas and Chanukkah overlap? When Easter and Pesach overlap? Whose holiday will you celebrate? Will your gentile husband veto the annual Chanukkah visit to your parents because Christmas is more important, as happened to an intermarried friend of mine? Will your wife be willing to cook and/or eat the cardboard meals of Pesach? Will your gentile spouse be willing to sit through the lengthy seder ritual at your parents' house, or the lengthy High Holiday services?
The Children
    How will the children be raised? The Jewish grandparents want a bris, and the gentile grandparents insist on baptism. The Catholic grandparents want the child to learn catechism while the Jewish grandparents are looking forward to the bar mitzvah. Many interfaith couples think they are being oh-so-enlightened by raising the children with both faiths and letting them choose. This makes about as much sense as asking your child to choose which parent's surname he wants to keep: ultimately, you're requiring the child to pick favorites with his parents. Aside from that, the message you are giving your children is that none of it is real, that none of it matters, that religion is a Chinese menu and you can pick one from Column A and one from Column B. You are certainly welcome to believe that, but don't expect your local church or synagogue to agree with you. Even the more liberal movements of Judaism don't approve of bar mitzvah training for a child who is simultaneously receiving religious training in another faith, because it causes too much confusion for the child.

These are just a few of the more important considerations in interfaith relationships that people tend to gloss over in the heat of passion or in the desire to be politically fashionable.
Conversion

In general, Jews do not try to convert non-Jews to Judaism. In fact, according to halakhah (Jewish Law), rabbis are supposed to make three vigorous attempts to dissuade a person who wants to convert to Judaism.

As the discussion above explained, Jews have a lot of responsibilities that non-Jews do not have. To be considered a good and righteous person in the eyes of G-d, a non-Jew need only follow the seven Noahic commandments, whereas a Jew has to follow all 613 commandments given in the Torah. If the potential convert is not going to follow those extra rules, it's better for him or her to stay a gentile, and since we as Jews are all responsible for each other, it's better for us too if that person stayed a gentile. The rabbinically mandated attempt to dissuade a convert is intended to make sure that the prospective convert is serious and willing to take on all this extra responsibility.

Once a person has decided to convert, the proselyte must begin to learn Jewish religion, law and customs and begin to observe them. This teaching process generally takes at least one year, because the prospective convert must experience each of the Jewish holidays; however, the actual amount of study required will vary from person to person (a convert who was raised as a Jew might not need any further education, for example, while another person might need several years).

After the teaching is complete, the proselyte is brought before a Beit Din (rabbinical court) which examines the proselyte and determines whether he or she is ready to become a Jew. If the proselyte passes this oral examination, the rituals of conversion are performed. If the convert is male, he is circumcised (or, if he was already circumcised, a pinprick of blood is drawn for a symbolic circumcision). Both male and female converts are immersed in the mikvah (a ritual bath used for spiritual purification). The convert is given a Jewish name and is then introduced into the Jewish community.

In theory, once the conversion procedure is complete, the convert is as much a Jew as anyone who is born to the religion. In practice, the convert is sometimes treated with caution, because we have had some of bad experiences with converts who later return to their former faith in whole or in part. However, it is important to remember that Abraham himself was a convert, as were all of the matriarchs of Judaism, as was Ruth, an ancestor of King David.

For more information about conversion to Judaism, see The Conversion to Judaism Home Page. The information provided by Professor Epstein at that site is written from a Conservative perspective, but is valuable to anyone considering conversion to any movement of Judaism.

source: http://www.jewfaq.org/gentiles.htm

[ Last edited by  alhaadi2 at 2-7-2006 04:13 PM ]

Actually, it's preferable for a muslim to marry a jewish for jews and muslims are curcumsised and they believe in one god  while most of the christians are gentiles and they believe god is three in one....

Antique, i like your comments about the orthdox jew....
Even in New Zealand right now, i make a lot of friends with a lot of orthdox jews for they eat kosher, I eat
halal...hehehe..and yet both of us oppose zionism....

Originally posted by Iaye at 29-6-2006 01:02 AM


erm AntiQue.. yang lagi satu tu apa eh?..

ada ke Jew yang .. erm baik? :hmm:

Persoalan nye sama jerrrr...
Ada tak orang islam yg baik?
Ada tak orang hindu yang baik?
Ada tak orang budha yg baik?
Ada tak orang Kristian yg baik?

Merujuk pada ajaran agama itu satu hal samada berunsur baik atau jahat. Merujuk pada perbuatan atau budaya org yg menuruti agama itu samada kecenderungan baik atau jahat.

Tapi ada satu kata pujangga: 1 jari menunjuk pada orang lain sebenarnya bertujuan untuk melindungi 3 lagi jari yg mengarah pada diri sendiri.

Originally posted by mohi at 3-7-2006 06:36 PM
Actually, it's preferable for a muslim to marry a jewish for jews and muslims are curcumsised and they believe in one god  while most of the christians are gentiles and they believe god is three in ...

Hahaha! betul jugak tuuu.
Tapi sunat dia lain kawannnnn.. Dia kopek semua kulitnya kerana mereka percaya bersentuhan kulit dengan perempuan adalah dosa(menurut ceritanya), walaupun isteri sendiri. Oleh itu mereka kena tutup seluruh badan wanita itu kalau nak mengadakan hubungan se-ks. Satu lagi, wanitanya tidak sunat. Satu lagi maklumat tambahan.... Depapun tak makan babi jugak kan? dan tak minum arak? Maksud saya bukan semua tak buat begitu tapi perbuatan yg sepatutnya menurut ajaran agama mereka!:nerd: Bukan semua org ikut agama kannn? cakap bolehlah!

memang...agama orang yahudi lagi ketat daripada islam.....tu memang x dapat dinafikan...tapi yang aku pelik, benda yang hala bagi kita dia haramkan....tu masalahnya...hehehe.....