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Mari Kira "Nilai Sebenar" Unit Saham Amanah Anda Sekarang
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[/quote][quote]Originally posted by ahmedinejad at 11-10-2008 01:43 AM
mana yg dah beli UT tu tunggu la dalam bertahun-tahun lagi utk break even dan lagi setahun dua pastu utk buat untung, nak jual takleh, rugi geng (mana aku tahu kena tunggu bertahun? Aku banyak me ...
[quoteWhy not simpan duit kat ASB, korang punya ASB bukan penuh pun, dah la the only one in the world yg dijamin kerajaan, bila betul2 murah time tu baru korang dump dalam UT, tu baru boleh buat duit, tak caya? search dollar cost averaging, dia punya analisis tentang lump sum investment waktu murah, link2 dia aku ada letak kat post thread public mutual dulu
Sebab tu la dalam prospektus ada sebut tentang risiko kerugian, kalau DCA ni boleh jamin korang untung, tak payah la letak disclaimer, letak je terus dengan DCA anda pasti untung, takde pulak mana2 company berani letak macam tu, kalau betul hebat sangat DCA ni la kan hehehe
Apa pun UT boleh buat untung, tapi bukan dengan DCA sahaja, banyak faktor luar lagi kena ambil kira, hanya anda aje paling menghargai duit anda, orang lain? Hanya akan cuba mengabiskan duit anda
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saya akui saya mmg bersetuju pendapat anda..saya sendiri tak sukakan DCA. Just imagine kita jadi pelabur..client tanya " berapa untung saya sekarang, kita jawab," Anda masih lagi rugi 5% dan anda perlu melabur lagi untuk dapatkan untung thru DCA" Yang non educated investors mesti hangin kan.. Yang educated punya tak menjadi masalah, itu yg mereka tunggu pon...
Tapi bila anda mengaku anda seorang agent UT juga, saya kata anda salah sorang yang TIDAK LAYAK. maafkan saya kalau awak kata saya takbur. Seorang consultant yang tulen, peranan mereka bukan stick dengan UT investment semata2, mereka boleh bagi financial services, maximizekan asset dengan asset allocation. Bukan menghabiskan duit pelabur... seperti saudara tulis dan saya highlightkan..
saya pernah jumpa UTC yang buat insurance motor camparison dengan pelbagai co. utk mejimatkan duit investors beliau..
kalau saudara membaca atau beajar, carilah ilmu sampai ke nagara china. Bukan mengikut teori seorang penulis. anda tidak percayakan DCA, tapi kena ada alternative lain..Sebagai consultants, anda kena bijak memberi alternatives yang ada. Kalau masih tidak mengetahui, jumpa boss yang recruit anda..saudara nak tunggu betul2 murah, teori tu betul, tapi siapa yang boleh forecast betul2 bila betul2 murah..
Beli harga tinggi tidak menjadi masalah, TAPI ANDA KENA MENGETAHUI SETIAP SATU CHARACTERISTIC OF FUNDS. PILIH FUND YANG BETUL.AND MANAGING YR CLIENTS MONEY..
Lagi satu BUY AND SELL OR EXIT strategy, itu cara betul. Tapi ada lagi iaitu switch. agent yang kaya cepat mmg pakai buy and sell sokmo, clients akan dicharge untuk epf 3 percent lagi, ..tapi thru switching charge 25 je, kat PM, and Mutual Gold, FOC..agent apa dapat dengan switching...telor ayam ..kosong...tapi tanggungjawab..
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Originally posted by jadree00 at 12-10-2008 11:54 AM
Firstly, saya budak tua baru belajar pasal unit trust nie. Harap forumner2 yg bijak pandai dapat beri tunjuk ajar.
Saya nak tanya camner nak build exit strategy dlm unit trust?
My agent adv ...
saudara, exit startegy simpel je..rasa dah untung and u puashati, and anda fikir price tak naik lagi, saudara boleh jualkan sahaja..
Alternative ke 2, jika saudara tak mahu jual lg, sila switch ke Islamic Money market, parking kat sana sekejap.
Utk detail, contact agent saudara ttg The magic of switching..Jika dia tak tahu, firekan dia..
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Originally posted by kasibiman at 14-10-2008 04:06 PM
good eksplen.
much better dr "why u so stupid taruk UT lar dari 5% on epf"
on "pnb so stupid bg 8% jerk baik taruk UT dpt 43%".
risk adjusted returns, mandates, focus of fund. pahami b ...
yes, betul kasib..
sudah bosan dengan thread yang sama dibuka oleh so so so and so intelligent people, tapi isi seperti ulangan siaran asrro.
Dah explain, dah lah tak dapat extra kredit 20 ribu kredit oleh MOD, tp tak paham paham..
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Originally posted by tobby at 20-10-2008 12:21 PM
wujud ker full time ejen yg betul2 baik hati bg tau korang: "korang jgn beli UT dgn aku time nih sbb ekonomi tak berapa baik...." wujud ker full time ejen yg jujur cakap mcm nih: "ekonomi dah ...
[wujud ker full time ejen yg betul2 baik hati bg tau korang: "korang jgn beli UT dgn aku time nih sbb ekonomi tak berapa baik...." wujud ker full time ejen yg jujur cakap mcm nih: "ekonomi dah ok nanti baru korang beli balik dgn aku. time ni jgn beli lagi sebab sekarang ni byk uncertainty."
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mmg betul tak ada orang cakap language sebgitu, saudara tobby.
Tapi biasanya agents tulin cakap, invest UT sekarang boleh.. tapi uncertain market dan kena tunggu medium and long term.
saya sendiri ramai offer nak invest ratusan atau jutaan ringgit, tapi saya tolak kerana mahukan 6 -12 bulan sahaja..
[quote]habis full time ejen nak bagi anak bini makan apa klu tak continue jual UT sepanjang masa??
Ada ke specific masa yang boleh dijual dan tak boleh dijual UT ?
sorry, saya tak pernah dengar teori ini..
Infact, bulan Ramadan, market teruk jatuh, saya tengah buat Umrah, my clients sibuk nak tambah investment.
Buktinya, walo kerja 1 minggu je, tambahan dengan cuti raya, sales saya masih tersenarai top 10 sales producer bg kategori personal sales.
refer kat link ni...
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/documents/AGENTSERVICE/TopPro_Flyer_Oct2008.pdf
Yg sebenarnya kalau kami mahukan (kami tu bermaksud pure agent yang commited dan blh success), kami tak perlu bekerja sepanjang masa macam org makan gaji..
Maaf saya katakan, bukan untuk takbur, gaji kami sebulan melebihi gaji setahun manager kilang atau bank..
Dan kami kebanyakan agent macam kami, tidak perlu untuk stick dengan company..kalau tak leh jual UT, kami boleh jual durian..
tak perlu nak tipu sana sini, bodek sana sini, office politik sana sini.. - bg aku bisnes is busines. penjual produk boleh cerita seribu mcm kebaikan produk dia.......tapi pengguna kena ada cukup maklumat utk pilih apa yg terbaik utk diri mrk. aku bagi contoh produk2 kecantikan yg begitu byk di pasaran. semua produk mengaku produk mrk yg terbaik & takda side effect. mrk tetap takkan mengaku walaupun kulit customer dah menggelupas. pandai2 lah customer utk stop & beralih kpd produk yg lebih baik.
- sama mcm UT. UT hanyalah salah satu drpd invesment vehicle yg ada di pasaran. beli UT main redah jer samalah mcm beli hartanah secara membabi buta. dulu ada iklan yg menipu org ramai supaya membeli tanah paya dgn harga yg mahal krn kononnya akan dimajukan. sekali dah terbeli, berbelas tahun tunggu projek apa pun tarak. nangis la.
Copy the Code membandingan UT dengan product kecantikan adalah bertentangan sama sekali....Lupakan sekejap yang PT agent yang kerja tahu buat sales dan tak reti manage..Kerja kami kena buat after sales service...dan make sure untung berkali ganda untuk mengekalkan relationship untuk jangkamasa panjang. Kami tak perlu clients yg ramai, tapi quality client yang penting.
Kami takan boleh tidur lena jika kami simply abaikan duit mereka dimana mereka akan ganggu tidur dan mimpi kami..
untuk pelabur, jangan dengar cakap org, sit down dengan agent, dengar perjelasan meerka dengan teliti, test mereka, check background mereka, dan timbangkan dengan sebijak mungkin.
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Originally posted by Nisda_ at 20-10-2008 01:52 PM
tiap kali cerita pasal UT mesti akan ada provoksi
anywhere pendapat haku penuh dulu asb korang dan selainnya baru invest kat UT, haku sendiri dah terjebak dlm UT ni, duit dah susut ...
Provoksi datang dr misleading info, nisda..
sila refer kepada public china select fund yang awak invest..color biru..
fund ni launched masa july 2005, after 4 bulan performance untung sampai 28 peratus..
kenapa agent cina yang awak engage tak jual or switch,,,?
dalam masa 4 bulan, untung sudah pon melebihi 28%, kerana biarkan saja?
awak tak boleh membuat statement memburukan UT, tapi awak hanya ada right memburukan agent cina awak yang tak menjalankan tugas dengan betul je..Bukan semua agent tidur, jangan generalizekan, dengan statement seakan akan anda terjebak dengan skim penipuan haram.
Dan saya faham perasaan Nisda, dah invest lama tp masih rugi.
Saya personally sudah 2-3 kali advise di forum ini agar anda untuk switch to islamic fund dan local funds intead of china funds, yang agak shaking.
dan sekali lagi saya tekankan UT ni bukan investment utk peram dan tunggu...MANAGING..MANAGE AND MANAGE.
Consult dgn agent anda..
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conclusion...ttg thread ni..
saya ambil contoh fund PIOF P Mutual..performance agak average compare islamic yang lain macam PIEF, ittikal, dll
JIka anda invest masa launched ahun 2005 and jual pada masa KLCI 1400- 1500 macam salah sorang my investor bro cakna , untung melebihi 70 %
pernah ianya mencecah 90% untung..(refer pd graph warna biru)
Itu tanpa managing eg.. swiching ke PIMMF untuk dapatkan extra unit...
EPF service charge 3%, tolak 3%, adakah U all jadi rugi ke?
Kalau sayangkan 3% tu (3% Co. service Charge, komisyen kami less than that), jangan invest degan UT, nanti anda menyesal seumur hidup..
Dan jika anda dapat agent yang peram je, tak buat apa2...sehingga 22 oct 08, KLCI less than 900, masih untung 32.99 percent..(terminate agent anda, cari yang bagus, psl tak swith atau jual...)
Cuba kira...aanualised return..
adakah legi rendah dr EPF,? dr ASB,,,?
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tak percaya, masih paranoid..?
graph diambil dr website PM ,,.
Kalu ada bukti penipuan, sila report kat SC..bukan MOD..
besok Public mutual kena tutup....
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[/quote][quote]Originally posted by batu kikir at 20-10-2008 10:29 AM
Level of intelligence.
If you agree with me................you are intelligent
(Konsep ejen UT yang menyamar jadi pelabur with 70% return he...he...he...)
If you don't............... then ...
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Level of intelligence.
If you agree with me................you are intelligent
(Konsep ejen UT yang menyamar jadi pelabur with 70% return he...he...he...)
If you don't............... then you are not smart
(Falfsafah ejen UT nak kenakan orang yang tak sebulu dengan mereka)
With 60-70% return (so they claimed ..... over 3 years with all risk on you although you have paid commission for the UT agent services) ...............kau orang dah kelabu asap.................memang tahap bodoh gila sangat lah korang ni.
When discuss about "return on investmen"............. asyik2 dok cerita UT, shares...................apakah itu aje ruang lingkup korang..........bodoh sangat
Think outside box brother. Return with more than 200-300% with monthly passive income lagik. Risk.............of course ada risk ..............tetapi investment decisions on you and you alone, Bukan macam UT...............decision decided by others. The money is yours but others get the luxury of it. Tak bodoh ke tu?
BTW this thread cuma nak tahu nilai sebenar (dalam ringgit) of your UT investment pre and post 2008 financial crisis. Sesiapa nak tunjuk pandai...........kau orang bukak lain thread. OK.
P/S Labur UT dekat RM 40K every 2 months. Lepas tu biarkan UT ejen uruskan, Tak ke bangang tu? Percaya ke? Ooo tidak...tidak..
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[code][Think outside box brother. Return with more than 200-300% with monthly passive income lagik. Risk.............of course ada risk ..............tetapi investment decisions on you and you alone, Bukan macam UT...............decision decided by others. The money is yours but others get the luxury of it. Tak bodoh ke tu?/code]
so, kita semua ni bodoh semuanya kan....
ada yang simpan dalam UT, org lain yg buat decision..
main share market, co performance drop, share rugi..
ada yang simpan kat ASB, return org lain yg control..alih alih 7 %
U all simpan kat FD..dpt 3.8%.. org lain control..
so, semua kita ikut saranan pembuka thread, kerana kebodohohan kita, kita semua berniaga dapat untung 200 - 300 percent..
Dan anda akan menyesal invest dlm UT, yang kaya ialah kami..
saya sendiri jual UT, boleh jadi jutawan dalam masa 4 tahun je..
Jangan le kayakan kami lagi...
refer kat sini, macamana boleh kaya..
http://www.carigold.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=28819
Dan yang kerja bank claim expert U Trust ..
kesian U all bergelumung, kena control dengan majikan macam bukan manusia..
pagi masuk opis, dah dekat nak senja atau malam, keluar opis..
kami sibuk je dok kira-wang.....
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Pada aku, sebelum nak melabur nih better kita sudah diapung oleh skim takaful/insurans ...
Melabur bak kata Azizi Ali ibarat meyerang dalam permainan bola, untuk menang perlawanan perlunya ada pasukan yang mantap terdiri dari sisi serangan, sayap, tengah dan pertahanan ... melabur nih boleh diletakkan dalam posisi serangan, dan takaful/insuran merupakan sisi pertahanan dan penjaga gol, .. manakala sisi sayap dan tengah boleh ambil instrumen pelaburan yang relevan.
Dalam keasyikan menyerang jangan lupa untuk menguatkan pertahanan ... maka sebelum memulakan serangan pastikan dahulu unit pertahanan korang mantap supaya x sentap kena serang dengan pasukan lawan .. i.e ... musim kejatuhan ekonomi cam sekarang ...
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Aura Hokaida the boss memberikan aku sedikit inspirasi utk posting dalam thread walaupun pada awalnya aku nak muntah dengan provokator ....
Thanks bro Kirawang ... you make my day ... |
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Reply #86 kirawang's post
Hi Kirawang,
I think it is time to break the ice.
Of course I did mention to you over p.m. that I wanted to buy from Chinese agent but finally I bought my UT from a Malay agent as there were few agents approaching me at that time. She is a manager level, Hajjah and she was also among people that went to Hokkaido. If you can recall, I抳e been asking neither you to explain to me further about UT over p.m. but no reply from you nor your agents (I assume you might be thinking I抦 just buying small portion of amount).
Beside PCSF, I also bought Islamic fund which generally you should know very well the status right now. Increasing in less than a year was drastically tremendous, beside who would predict it will decreasingly within the same year.
As an individual I抦 just telling others from my point of view that keeping money in ASB is just one of the safe options beside privilege as a Bumiputra.
CARI FORUM is an open forum for everyone to raise the issue and place for us to share our view. |
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Reply #92 Nisda_'s post
I'm agree with you ma'am, but for some extent, as a muslim there is an obligation to choose a halal fund with had special designated Syariah Advisory council which monitor the way fund manager manage the fund.
At this point of time PNB still failed to setup that so called Syariah Advisor which may lead to non halal investment approach activity. So Malaysian muslim put their non syariah compliance risk by investing through ASB or all other PNB invesment house.
Wallahu alam ....
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Reply #93 quedac1's post
I抳e been hearing about telling ASB is not halal as part of the 憀apuk |
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I shall respect your decision then ...
Please bear in mind that I'm not trying to ask investor out there or in here to dump all their money to PM scheme, my intention is just to clarify this non syariah compliance issue where millions of Malaysian muslim keep being ignorance about halal haram on financial issues.
At least I'm doing my part to justify this concern.
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Originally posted by aleph at 23-10-2008 09:08 AM
kadang2 ada gak post2 yg lawak...
bg aku, kalau tgk tajuk asal, sepatutnya MARI KITA KIRA BERAPA HARGA ASET UNIT TRUST KITA SEKARANG.
aku bukan fanatik UT - satu jer alasan aku: Unit trust ...
Don'r forget about 3% of your fund outlay will be paid to UT agents as commission.
If you invest RM 100K , RM3K (three thousand will be pocketed by UT agents. No risk....no loss. Only investor has risks and potential loss.
Meaning that...............out of RM100K ................ only RM97 will be invested by UTC under your name and with risk. Is it smart? |
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CALLING ALL UT INVESTORS TO SEE THEIR BOOK NET WORTH (still not final as you may NOT SELL your UT yet) OF YOUR INVESTMENT in UT (IN RM) as at 10/10/2008. Or to be better as at today (24/10/2008)
P/S market has broken the 800 psychological barrier and still looking south.... |
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Originally posted by quedac1 at 24-10-2008 10:56 AM
The boss speak very well .... semangat Hokaido ....!!
TQ Quedac for compliment, and forumers P Mesage me regarding this topic, tq also..
Btw, to be success, kejurujuran dan keiikhlasan bekerja adalah amat penting.
For me, saya lebih pentingkan duit my investors yang sudahpon mencecah 30miilion terdiri drp individual investors and corporate drp duit saya sendiri untuk managing.
Dalam keadaan ekonomi naik, turun , bergelombang, banjir kilat macam kat KL, U will enjoy with d circle..
Investors akan ttp mencari anda..
U all tengok, berapa jam sangat saya kat luar looking for clients....siap boleh berforum lagi.. |
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Originally posted by Nisda_ at 24-10-2008 12:38 PM
Hi Kirawang,
I think it is time to break the ice.
Of course I did mention to you over p.m. that I wanted to buy from Chinese agent but finally I bought my UT from a Malay agent as there were ...
Hi Nisda.
May be, tiada rezeki untuk us to deal.
Kisah benar is, saudari sudah pon P M my wife to invest and she did replied. Btw, no answer from U (she told me more than 3 time, rimas I dengar.. )
and saudarai PM me, and I also replied to see u or assign somebody. Still No Reply.
Btw, My style is, not try to push people like others sales person yang tak putus putus calling 2-3 kali sehari nak jual barang credit card lah, membership sana siini, hingga clients bengang..
I never underestimate people to invest either BIG OR SMALL AMOUNT, Biasanya i assign my reliable consultants to handle any new appoinment if I busy (kadang2 busy berforum )
That is not an issue. The important matter we should clear here is, bukannya berpunca from UT Public Mutual you hilang duit... tapi unreliable agents. Itu sebabnya I dengan humble opinion dan penuh rasa tanggungjawab sebagai forumers suruh U contact beliau untuk do something. MANAGING PROPERLY. u SHOULD BLAIM HER, INSTEAD OF UT. Infact u already paid upfront fee. U have Right.
and U can raise any issue..btw it must me the right issue,..
U Blaim UT, for me unfair to the other agents yang bekerja dengan iklas dan jujur.
Wassalam.
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So the title of this thread is no longer relevant if the latest posts by forummers were taking into consideration on why and what has happenned to your Investment..
It is the consultant's fault but please bear that not every consultants doing the same bad thing..
I wish if i could have power to sack consultants (part time ker full time ker) yg hanya mengejar komisen tp membiarkan pelabur2 terkontang kanting melihat pelaburan mereka merudum walhal they could lock profit via switching during the good time.. :@ :@ consultants "tepi longkang" nie hanya menyesakkan market dan akibatnya me"reflect" kan the whole image of this profession. :@
Beringatla prospect investors, cari full time Unit Trust consultants yg experience (dah bertahun2) dan komited dalam portfolio managements. Jgn hanya pikeykan nak beri sokongan kepada ur frens, ur family members..they have nothing to loose when u fall
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