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hiburanmalam

truth is the hindu religion copied the kaabah arhitecture..

aku mmg tak paham
tiang nak support bangunan pun org hindu boleh cakap tu Tuhan dier siap bagi nama lord shiva..

Tiang kat umah aku ni pun aku kene panggil lord shiva ke?.. hari2 aku nak lap taik idung kat tiang ni... kasi makan..

barney50

hiburanmalam,

kalau kau ada otak fikirlah dahulu sebelum membuat komen disini. Mana satu yang dahulu Islam ke agama Hindu? I have no comments.

Debmey

Why even bother what is in the kaaba or what is the kaaba?
God sure isn't inside.

mnm77

Originally posted by barney50 at 13-7-2007 01:40 PM
hiburanmalam,

kalau kau ada otak fikirlah dahulu sebelum membuat komen disini. Mana satu yang dahulu Islam ke agama Hindu? I have no comments.

Awak tak faham, orang Islam percaya Nabi Adam tu beragama Islam.

Orang Kristian yang mengikut ajaran Nabi Isa yang sebenar adalam beragama Islam

Orang Yahudi yang mengikut ajaran Nabi Musa yang sebenar adalah beragama Islam

Nabi Ibrahim beragama Hanif (mentauhidkan Allah) - tuhan yang satu = Islam

Kaabah adalah Rumah Ibadah yang pertama dibina di atas muka bumi. Awak nak percaya macam lain, itu awak punya hal.

Ada riwayat kata Kaabah dibina Nabi Adam dan disempurnakan oleh Nabi Ibrahim dan anaknya Nabi Ismail

all the religion is from Hindu

sedondon

no lah, all the religion is from Bollywood......

octavianus_83

hahahaha......

ef/x

KAABA

        The small, cubed building known as the Kaaba may not rival sky- scrapers in height or mansions in width, but its impact on history and human beings is unmatched. The Kaaba is the building towards which Muslims face five times a day, everyday, in prayer. This has been the case since the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) over 1400 years ago.

The size of Kabba:
        The current height of the Kaaba is 39 feet, 6 inches and total size comes to 627 square feet. The inside room of the Kaaba is 13X9 meters. The Kaaba's walls are one meter wide. The floor inside is 2.2 meters higher than the place where people perform Tawaf. The ceiling and roof are two levels made out of wood. They were reconstructed with teak which is capped with stainless steel. The walls are all made of stone. The stones inside are unpolished, while the ones outside are polished. This small building has been constructed and reconstructed by Prophets Adam, Ibrahim, Ismail and Mohammad (PEACE BE UPON THEM ALL). No other building has had this honor. Yet, not very much is known about the details of this small but significant building.

Names:
        The other names of the Kaaba Literally, Kaaba in Arabic means a high place with respect and prestige. The word Kaaba may also be derivative of a word meaning a cube. Some of these other names include:
Bait ul Ateeq - which means, according to one meaning, the earliest and ancient. According to the second meaning, it means independent and liberating. Both meanings could be taken  Bayt ul Haram - the honorable house

Reconstruction:
         The Kaaba has been reconstructed up to 12 times Scholars and historians say that the Kaaba has been reconstructed between five to 12 times. The very first construction of the Kaaba was done by Prophet Adam. Allah says in the Quran that this was the first house that was built for humanity to worship Allah. After this, Prophet Ibrahim and Ismail rebuilt the Kaaba. The measurements of the Kaaba's Ibrahimic foundation are as follows: The eastern wall was 48 feet and 6 inches the Hatim side wall was 33 feet the side between the black stone and the Yemeni corner was 30 feet the Western side was 46.5 feet. Following this, there were several constructions before the Prophet Mohammad's time. Reconstruction of Kaba by Quraish Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) participated in one of its reconstructions before he became a Prophet. Since the tribe of Quraish did not have sufficient funds, this reconstruction did not include the entire foundation of the Kaba as built by Prophet Ibrahim. This is the first time the Kaaba acquired the cubical shape it has now unlike the rectangle shape which it had earlier. The portion of the Kaaba left out is called Hateem now.

Construction after the Prophet's Time:
Abdullah Ibn az-Zubayr The Syrian army destroyed the Kaaba in Muharram 64 (Hijri date) and before the next Hajj Abdullah Ibn az-Zubayr, may Allah be pleased with him, reconstructed the Kaaba from the ground up. Ibn az-Zubayr wanted to make the Kaaba how the Prophet Mohammad wanted it, on the foundation of the Prophet Ibrahim. Ibn az-Zubayr said, "I heard Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) say, 'The Prophet said: "If your people had not quite recently abandoned the Ignorance (Unbelief), and if I had sufficient provisions to rebuild it [the Kaaba], I would have added five cubits to it from the Hijr. Also, I would make two doors; one for people to enter therein and the other to exit" (Bukhari).

Ibn az-Zubayr said, "Today, I can afford to do it and I do not fear the people."
Ibn az-Zubayr built the Kaba on Prophet Ibrahim's foundation. He put the roof on three pillars with the wood of Aoud (a perfumed wood with aroma which is traditionally burned to get a good smell out of it in Arabia). In his construction he put two doors, one facing the east the other facing the west, as the Prophet wanted but did not do in his lifetime. He rebuilt the Kaaba on the Prophet Ibrahim's foundation, which meant that the Hateem area was included. The Hateem is the area adjacent to the Kaaba enclosed by a low semi-circular wall.

Abdullah Ibn az-Zubayr also made the following additions and modifications:-
- Put a small window close to the roof of the Kaba to allow for light.
- Moved the door of the Kaaba to ground level and added a second door to the Kaaba.
- Added nine cubits to the height of the Kaaba, making it twenty cubits high. Its walls were two cubits wide.
- Reduced the pillars inside the House to three instead of six as were earlier built by Quraish.

For reconstruction, Ibn az-Zubayr put up four pillars around Kaaba and hung cloth over them until the building was completed. People began to do Tawaf around these pillars at all times, so Tawaf of the Kaaba was never abandoned, even during reconstruction.

During Abdul Malik bin Marwan's time In 74 Hijri (or 693 according to the Gregorian calendar), Al-Hajjaj bin Yusuf Al-Thaqafi, the known tyrant of that time, with the approval of Umayyad Khalifa Abdul Malik bin Marwan, demolished what Ibn az-Zubayr had added to it from the older foundation of Prophet Ibrahim, restore its old structure as the Quraish had it.

Some of the changes he made were the following:
- He rebuilt it in the smaller shape which is found today took out the Hateem
- Walled up the western door (whose signs are still visible today) and left the rest as it was -pulled down the wall in the Hateem area.
- Removed the wooden ladder Ibn az-Zubayr had put inside the Kaba.
- Reduced the door's height by five cubits

When Abdul Malik bin Marwan came for Umra and heard the Hadith that it was wish of Prophet for the Kaaba to be constructed the way Abdullah Ibn az-Zubayr had built it, he regretted his actions. Imam Malik's advice to the Khalifa Harun al Rasheed Abbasi Khalifa Harun al Rasheed wanted to rebuild the Kaaba the way the Prophet Muhammad wanted and the way Abdullah Ibn az-Zubayr built it. But when he consulted Imam Malik, the Imam asked the Khalifa to change his mind because constant demolition and rebuilding is not respectful and would become a toy in the hands of kings. Each one would want to demolish and rebuild the Kaaba. Based on this advice, Harun al Rasheed did not reconstruct the Kaaba. The structure remained in the same construction for 966 years, with minor repairs here and there.

Reconstruction during Sultan Murad Khan's time in the year 1039 Hijri, because of heavy rain, flood and hail, two of the Kaaba's walls fell down. The flood during which this occurred took place on the 19th of Shaban 1039 Hijri which continued constantly, so the water in the Kaaba became almost close to half of its walls, about 10 feet from the ground level.

On Thursday the 20th of Shaban 1039 Hijri, the eastern and western walls fell down.
When flood receded on Friday the 21st of Shaban, the cleanup started. Again, a curtain, the way Abdullah Ibn az-Zubayr established on 4 pillars, was put up, and the reconstruction started on the 26th of Ramadan. The rest of the walls except for the one near the Black Stone, were demolished. By the 2nd of Zul-Hijjah 1040 the construction was taking place under the guidance of Sultan Murad Khan, the Ottoman Khalifa. From the point of the Black stone and below, the current construction is the same as that done by Abdullah Ibn az-Zubayr.The construction which was done under the auspices of Murad Khan was exactly the one done at the time of Abdul Malik Ibn Marwan which is the way the Quraish had built it before Prophethood.

On Rajab 28, 1377, one historian counted the total stones of the Kaaba and they were 1,614. These stones are of different shapes. But the stones which are inside the outer wall which is visible are not counted in there.

Reconstruction of the Kaaba In 1996:
A major reconstruction of the Kaaba took place between May 1996 and October 1996. This was after a period of about 400 years (since Sultan Murad Khan's time).
During this reconstruction the only original thing left from the Kaaba are the stones. All other material has been replaced including the ceiling and the roof and its wood.

http://groups.msn.com/islam4all/aboutkaaba.msnw

hazri99

sebenarnyer ader kisah dulu.. pasal asal usul h--du nih.. aku dah lupe ler.. tapi kisah biler kaum aper ntah ditinggalkan oleh nabi .. pastuh datang balik ketempat itu tgk semua dah terpesong.. dan ader yg sembah lembu.. ni salah satu asal usul h--du nih..

ef/x

Originally posted by hazri99 at 16-7-2007 03:58 PM
sebenarnyer ader kisah dulu.. pasal asal usul h--du nih.. aku dah lupe ler.. tapi kisah biler kaum aper ntah ditinggalkan oleh nabi .. pastuh datang balik ketempat itu tgk semua dah terpesong.. d ...

Kisah nabi Musa dgn patung Sapi Samiri ke ?

http://www.hmetro.com.my/Current_News/HM/RamadanMetro/Puasa/Hari/Rasul/20041103114421/Articles/pp_index_html

tak tau plak kisah ni ada kaitan dgn agama tsb

jelemetal

bugs bunny buat lawak lagi.. kejap aku tgk mcm kristian, la ni dh hindu lak, ntahpahapa nampak 3 tiang jek hindu..
lawaks siot..

barney50

Aiyaa!,

Kau orang tak faham laaa.. This is history and whatever remaining was already destroyed by Mohammed. What had been remembered and recorded by non Muslims before Islam had been brought over to other places and that is what is being reviewed. Why must there be only three pillars in the center? Anyparticular reason? And why are pillars being decorated with copper rings around from bottom, center and top? Any particular reason? Did you as a Muslim ask your masters who gave you this religion or were you afraid that they might condemn you for questioning their belief?

I think you the converts [anyone other then an Arab Muslim] are ignorant of the real truth.  Long before Islam came in to existence, Kaaba, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia was a pilgrimage site. The word Kaaba might have come from the Tamil Language which originated around 1700BC. In Tamil Nadu Kabaalishwaran temple is Lord Shiva抯 temple and Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The black stone at Kaaba is held sacred and holy in Islam and is called "Hajre Aswad" from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or Non-white stone. The Shiva Lingam is also called Sanghey Ashweta. So what is in Kaaba could be the same what Hindus worship. The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at the centre of the Kaaba is octagonal in shape. In Hinduism, the pedestal of Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape. Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the going around the kaaba prevail. Hindus invariably go around or Pradakshina, around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic. In Shiva temples Hindus always practice circulating or Pradakshina. Just as in Hinduism, the custom of going around the kaaba by Muslim pilgrims  seven times shows that the claim that in Islam they don抰 worship stones is not true.

You young converts of Islam do not know the facts and it is hidden form you or may be your ullamas are not aware of the real truth behind Islam. But, it does not matter to me because you can show you reverence to Lord Shiva the way you had been thought by your masters. If you say Lord Shiva is Allah or Allah is Lord Shiva is not a matter to me. In Hinduism you can pray they why you feel more comfortable. So if you mention Allah you are calling Lord Shiva for which I'm so happy.

[ Last edited by  barney50 at 17-7-2007 06:24 PM ]

buiscasey

bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.....

sedondon

alah........itu penari bogel yg menari dekat tiang2 tu pun mewakili tuhan hindu jugak......

sedondon

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Inappropriate picture to post in RSF.
I suggest you post it in other board.

-dvp-

[ Last edited by  DivinePonytail at 17-7-2007 10:58 PM ]

barney50

apa apa aja...tapi yang benar itu tetap benar. Allah atua SHIVA sama aja laa...Say dah buktikan dan kalau kau tak terima itu bukan salah saya. You keep on saying Allah because Allah was the Aabic GOD of the moon and look at all the statues of Shiva and you'll find the crescent moon on above the lock of Shiva's hair. I'm happy that Mohammed had retained Allah [Shiva] as his GOD. I should thank Mohammed for doing it.

loona

Barney,
That shows all major religions comes from same God Al-Mighty...whatever name you call Him. Only humans that are desperate to segregate and deviate from the true teaching eventhough God had sent His prophet to deliver the messages.

barney50

loona,

GOD did not sent any prophet to Mecca but the so called self proclaimed prophet created a religion from bits and pieces of the Manu Smirti,Talmud and Bible. He made a religion out of rojah by mixing various ingredients and called it Islam. I will post the evidence in a new post.

loona

Barney,
Please dont start again on your "fact" about self proclaimed prophet because we heard enough of your fact about it. Of course you will deny the prophethood of Muhammad saw since you dont believe in his teaching.
and of course for muslims we believe he is a prophet. Period.

barney50

loona,

Please read my lips. I did not say you cannot nor any Muslims should not but what I'm telling you is that I cannot accept him as a prophet because he lied in order to impose his form of religion onto the Arabs by force. That is the truth I'm talking about but by all means you can believe what the 7th century bigots of Islam had thought the Arab people. But here only in the 14th century that Islam was introduce by Indian Muslims from Gujarat.  What I'm talking is about the 7th century so in no way am I saying you or other Muslims are lying. It was Mohammed and his people and the poor you just followed what had been thought to you converts from India. How could I blame you? But the fact is a convert learning from another convert cannot be the same from the original. I mean your forefathers who had learned from other converts from India cannot be the exact form as practiced in Arabia.