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pandangan sisi Islam mengenai MLM

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luqmanz This user has been deleted
Post time 20-6-2006 12:17 PM | Show all posts
Saya rasa ada orang salah faham tentang "running the business" dan "owning the business".

1) Running the business -> employee
2) Running and owning the business -> self-employed
3) Owning the business -> Business owner.

MLM agents are actually employees, but since they dont have boss ordering them around and they dont get regular paycheck,
we call them self-employed. Why not business owner ? Read on. We have 2 characters

Pak Ahmad (business owner who own petrol station)
MLM agents of Company X (they claimed to be  business owners.. lets take their words at face value)

Pak Ahmad decided to go vacation for a year. He hired his most trusted worker and he left to Europe. He came back and the business is sound. Money keeps flowing to him. Business is not jeopardized.

MLM agents also decided to take a leave like Pak Ahmad. Everybody left to Bali,Japan,Korea for a year. Company X got low sales, and business is jeopardized (maybe bankrupt).

Of course, its almost unrealistic for all agents of a Company to go on vacation at the same time. But in this scenario, MLM system is not performing on the same level as conventional business does when all business owners are doing what they love most (vacation).
So we cant call the MLM agents "business owners".

I love Robert Kiyosaki books and learnt alot from them, but that does not mean I agree with every single thing he said.
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Post time 20-6-2006 12:58 PM | Show all posts
Luqmanz.. atleast u realize that it is not realistic for the whole agent to go for vacation.

Maybe the term business owner interpreted as "we must own that business.. that whole company" our name must be stated there... Being a member of a MLM company is like getting a dealership to sell its product. Say we are a Toshiba dealer.. we open a shop employ some staff and that certainly fall itu B Quadrant to u. The dealer ofcourse did not own Toshiba!!
The different with MLM dealership is, we dont need to rent a shop/office, employ any staff.. we just recruit, train and sell.

If one find day the dealershp contract is gone.. the Toshiba dealer business will still carry on.. maybe he will apply for Pensonic/Sharp dealer. Same goes to MLM business... if our distributorship/dealership c.o.a.ck up for what ever reason.. our business still goes on.. we will look for another product from another company.

Note: Sedih tengok kawan2 yang fanatik pada Syt MLM mereka.. walaupun bonus ciput (not even 4 figure) tapi masih melalak dan mendabik dada.."we are the best" "Inilah syt MLMaku yg pertama dan terakhir"..kesian pada keluarga mereka yg memberi kepercayaan dan harapn kepada mereka..namun keEgoan mengatasi segala yg perlu dilakukan.. Sorry side track sikit

To me the key issue is..how are we going to get to the I Quadrant faster. If i can be an Employee that are paid Rm1mil a year.. i dont care about being a business ownerr / self-employed... If MLM venture, can bring us to the I Quadrant faster... I rather focus on my MLM venture at this moment.

Some scary statistic about opening a new business... in US 70% of new business "gulung tikar"in their first year of operation... The figure may not be much different locally. If someone come to me with a business venture that has 30% success : 70% failuer ratio... i sure know what is my best opt...

It is not where we are now in the ESBI that matters....but when are we going to be at the I quadrant is all that matters

Chippo... some ppl still cant see the power of leveraging. As forme today, i choose to be at home doing my invoices while thousands of my dealer are out there.. some of them may be closing some sale now.. Thank God for MLM

[ Last edited by  anis710 at 20-6-2006 01:11 PM ]
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luqmanz This user has been deleted
Post time 20-6-2006 11:36 PM | Show all posts
Terima kasih atas penerangan itu.
Biasanya kalau upline tukar bisnes, downline pon ikut ke ? ataupun upline tu cari member baru ?

Statistik ...
Kat M'sia ... 97% syarikat ditutup dalam masa 3 tahun.
Kat US 95% syarikat ditutup dalam masa 3 tahun.

[ Last edited by  luqmanz at 20-6-2006 11:39 PM ]
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Post time 21-6-2006 07:08 AM | Show all posts
Thanks for the statistic.. that is more accurate i believe

Dalam business ni kadang2 kita jadi upline kadang2 kita jadi downline... kita nilai peluang tu sama2.. antara upline dengan downline. Our network is our good friends... bila kita buat sesuatu, our strong ppl kita pastikan mereka juga buat duit sama.. baru la mereka feel secured bersama kita dan trust every step we take. Moral of the story... dont be extremely selfish in what ever we do
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Post time 21-6-2006 08:24 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by luqmanz at 20-6-2006 11:36 PM
Terima kasih atas penerangan itu.
Biasanya kalau upline tukar bisnes, downline pon ikut ke ? ataupun upline tu cari member baru ?

Statistik ...
Kat M'sia ... 97% syarikat ditutup dalam masa 3 ...



huuuu... scary.  So choose the company wisely.
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kucingparsi This user has been deleted
Post time 21-6-2006 10:30 AM | Show all posts

mlm haram?

ada yang kata mlm ni haram kalo ikut hukum syarak.Cuba search psl mlm ni kt mana2 web n pasti akan terjumpa sesuatu yg menarik.Aku dulu ramai yg ajak join mlm tapi aku ragu2..yela..kalo untung, duit masyuk tapi duit tu kita buat makan..makan benda haram, kan jadik darah daging susah diri sendirik jugak..:lebai:
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Chippo This user has been deleted
Post time 21-6-2006 11:37 AM | Show all posts
I would like to reserve my thoughts to myself. I am happy doing MLM although professionally I am still employed as a consultant in a huge MNC. Being in senior management, I guess you guys would probably know that I do earn a 5 figure income, nevertheless being in MLM has made me realise that I have far exceeded my full time pay.

It helps when the business is run ethically with sound explanation and being modest and aiming for realistic goals to prospects rather than promising them what they may not be able to achieve within a short span. I guess I am blessed to be able to make it in this scheme probably because, my siblings control the regional market in Asia and that has given me numerous opportunities that were previously not available to others.

To everyone out there doin MLM with honesty and integrity, I can only say

GOD BLESS.

Cheers and have a nice day
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Chippo This user has been deleted
Post time 21-6-2006 03:18 PM | Show all posts
Untuk yang tidak berkesempatan berjumpa dengan saya minggu lalu, atas permintaan ramai sekali, saya akan berada di Malaysia pada 30hb June dan 1st July di KL, Petaling Jaya. Jikalau ingin bertemu dan rujuk soalan, boleh menghubungi saya melalui PM.
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Post time 21-6-2006 03:47 PM | Show all posts
Aku banyak join mlm tapi tak aktif lansung beli barang je la wat pakai ok gak benbarang mlm ni esp brg2 kesihatan dan skincare
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Post time 22-6-2006 09:08 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by kucingparsi at 21-6-2006 10:30 AM
ada yang kata mlm ni haram kalo ikut hukum syarak.Cuba search psl mlm ni kt mana2 web n pasti akan terjumpa sesuatu yg menarik.Aku dulu ramai yg ajak join mlm tapi aku ragu2..yela..kalo untung, dui ...


Issue MLM haram ni masih kabur.... Banyak benda haram terang tang-tang tapi orang buat tak tahu je. Contohnya Merokok itu haram...jelas ia lebih banyak memudaratkan bukan sahaja diri sendiri tetapi kesemua makhluk disekeliling kita...Jelas dan nyata. Tapi kebanyakan korang merokok semacam je.. baik perompak baik pak lebai 2x5

Contoh dua, berkerja di bank terang tang tang haram...dah jelas dalam hukum mengenai riba... tak ada tapi tapi tak ada but but...namun ramai masih berkerja di sana.. buat2 tak nampak je hukum yg telah jelas dan nyata tu. Nak cari makan pak...

Sebenarnya, apabila orang tidak bersetuju dengan sesuatu perkara, dia akan mencari segala alasan untuk menyokong pendapatnya itu..walaupun ianya masih kabur... walaupun ada 10 ustaz yang berpendapat sebaliknya.. tapi bila dia jumpa hanya seorang ustaz (ustaz zul agaknya...kekek) yang bersetuju dengan dia.. habis di canangnya satu kampung.. satu taman.

Sementara kamu sibuk mencari kelemahan dan alasan untuk mengharamkan MLM... orang lain sudah berjalan jauh mengukuhkan ekonomi keluarga.. walau petrol naik RM2.00 sekali pun, tak ada masa untuk kami mengeluh kerana orang yang mencari peluang sentiasa proaktif dan berfikiran positif...menyokong mendorong dan memberi galakan untuk sama2 produktif.. sama2 berjaya.

Sekadar pandangan

[ Last edited by  anis710 at 22-6-2006 09:09 AM ]
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luqmanz This user has been deleted
Post time 22-6-2006 11:15 AM | Show all posts
Tak patut label-label perniagaaan orang lain sebagai haram.

[ Last edited by  luqmanz at 22-6-2006 11:19 AM ]
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poklang This user has been deleted
Post time 30-6-2006 11:53 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by luqmanz at 22-6-2006 11:15 AM
Tak patut label-label perniagaaan orang lain sebagai haram.

:setuju::setuju:::pray::lebai:
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Post time 30-6-2006 12:05 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by poklang at 30-6-2006 11:53 AM

:setuju::setuju:::pray::lebai:

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Post time 6-7-2006 04:58 PM | Show all posts
MLM ni yahudi yg bwk..iye ke?

gue pon dh serik.buang masa jerk..duit lg la..jenuh nk bayo balik.

PENIPU BESO
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Post time 6-7-2006 11:31 PM | Show all posts
satu perkara yg aku tak suka dgn org2 MLM ni, suka memburuk-burukkan produk orang lain dan menggembar-gemburkan seolah2 produk dia la yg terbaik kat dunia..
dulu kat tempat keja aku selalu ada sorang ustaz ni bg kuliah zuhur.. tapi 1/4 drpd masa dia gunakan utk promote sureco.. selamba je cakap sprulina lain diberi makan taik babi.. sureco punya sprulina la satu2nya yg halal dia kata.. skrg ustaz tu dah tak bg kuliah lg, mungkin dah taraf diamond kot...
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Post time 7-7-2006 02:17 AM | Show all posts
ayat stended diorang.."malam nih free x? jom ikut aku gi 1 tempat.."..tu pasal aku menciii
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Post time 7-7-2006 09:29 AM | Show all posts
satu lg yg aku x suka, suka gunakan sentimen melayu-islam... nak tolong company melayu/islam, tapi aku tengok pengerusi punya bini macam mat saleh jugak... buat aktiviti pon ada campur2 maksiat jugak...
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Post time 7-7-2006 04:52 PM | Show all posts
di benci sebab selalu macam push 2 org suruh beli produk dia....dari elok2 kawan...pehtu terus jadi dingin bile takut nak jumpa sebab nanti kang kena paksa beli produk dia lagik....he..he...:geram:
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Post time 7-7-2006 09:49 PM | Show all posts
sayang la bila mlm nie jadi punca kita hilang kawan...aku pon ada gak hilang kawan2 sbb mlm nie...bukan sbb mlm tu salah...tapi cara orang2 gy wat bisnes mlm tu yg tak betul...tak pepasal hilang kawan2...ish sedey2...nak contact balik pon segan...
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Post time 8-7-2006 10:53 PM | Show all posts
bukan MLM yg bermasalah..
Tapi individu itu sendiri

Alhamdulillah aku dah jumpa satu yg berteraskan keislaman...dah diiktiraf MLMS (syariah) tu oleh  mufti kerajaan indonesia.. kerajaan malaysia xde lagi pengiktirafan yg semacam ini..

adapun yg mencacatkan MLM ini kebanyakkannye adalah individu itu sendiri..salah konspe penerangannye.. hanya menghighlightkan kekayaan ribu ribuan sebagai tajuk utama.. maka mengakibatkan ramaila yang tertipu...
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