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diskusi artikel : Perihal Humanisme dan Pluralisme #UPDATES forum bicara addin

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Post time 1-7-2013 08:03 PM | Show all posts
ni bincng pasal apa ni? hehe
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 Author| Post time 1-7-2013 09:42 PM | Show all posts
petola posted on 1-7-2013 08:03 PM
ni bincng pasal apa ni? hehe

i knew you  would come i am glad you came ....macam lagu pulak ...

here here a playground for you

it 's yours  please expand ...on the philosophical bit
and if you have read DAKWAH magazine is better ...


kita tengah membincangkan akan hal pluralisme dan humanisme dan masuk sikit ...theory of knowledge yg bersandarkan secularisme...

common  your cup of tea ni
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Post time 1-7-2013 09:43 PM | Show all posts
Ya, itu dia insan yang dirahmati Allah..Alhamdulillah~

nak tahu juga..
apa yg terlintas di fikiran tatkala disebut tentang 'humanisme' & 'pluralisme' atau '-isme'2 ?

ouch..sis mod awal seminit.. Last edited by Zackmaster on 1-7-2013 09:45 PM

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tok sah lee panggil sis sis eeeeeeeeeeeee orthodox  Post time 1-7-2013 09:50 PM
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 Author| Post time 1-7-2013 09:50 PM | Show all posts
Zackmaster posted on 1-7-2013 09:43 PM
Ya, itu dia insan yang dirahmati Allah..Alhamdulillah~

nak tahu juga..

yep you can ask that person on anything philosophical
from socrates to ziauddin sardar

from naquib al attas to ...ismail faruqi may be...

yup carry on i nak dinner

hihi
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Post time 1-7-2013 10:29 PM | Show all posts
uiksss.... kat sini pun ada org tunggu saya? hehe



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Post time 1-7-2013 10:40 PM | Show all posts
Zackmaster posted on 1-7-2013 09:43 PM
Ya, itu dia insan yang dirahmati Allah..Alhamdulillah~

nak tahu juga..

yg terlintas difikiran ialah otak manusia ni susah nak duduk diam
ada jer menda yg dia nak pikir... atau nak tau

yg tak terjangkau mulalah otak tu berspekulatif berontologi
yg terjangkau plak digodek2nya dibelek2 berepistemologi sampai paham
lepas tu pandai plak bertanya eh ini bagus ke tidak, baik ke buruk.. ha mulalah dia beraxiologi

itu umumnyalah
sebab ada juga jenis otak yg berenti terus berpikir
katanya tuhan dan nabi dah tunjuk semua ikut saja apa nak pikir2.. hehe
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Post time 2-7-2013 12:38 AM | Show all posts
petola posted on 1-7-2013 08:03 PM
ni bincng pasal apa ni? hehe

Tred orang bunian........bincang pasal PERKARA bunian......

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petola posted on 1-7-2013 10:40 PM
yg terlintas difikiran ialah otak manusia ni susah nak duduk diam
ada jer menda yg dia nak pikir. ...

apa bezanya elemen falsafah yunani kuno dengan falsafah Islam ?

apa samany unsur unsur falsafah  antara kedua duanya ?
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Post time 2-7-2013 01:23 PM | Show all posts
mbhcsf posted on 2-7-2013 01:10 PM
apa bezanya elemen falsafah yunani kuno dengan falsafah Islam ?

apa samany unsur unsur falsafah ...

Kaitan yunani dengan XXXXXXXX....you know?

Hmmmm Last edited by mbhcsf on 2-7-2013 02:43 PM

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Post time 2-7-2013 11:02 PM | Show all posts
petola posted on 1-7-2013 10:40 PM
yg terlintas difikiran ialah otak manusia ni susah nak duduk diam
ada jer menda yg dia nak pikir. ...

wow..
compact~

ontology -> epistemology -> axiology..
kejadian -> pengetahuan -> nilai..

begitu kah?
erm..tapi 'logos' semua ni wujud ketika berada di tahap epistemology kan? sebab 'nama-nama' ..
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 Author| Post time 3-7-2013 09:11 AM | Show all posts
ini salah satu THREAD di CI

tentang diskusi antara yg terperangkap antara humnisme secularisme

http://mforum2.cari.com.my/forum ... ;extra=#pid53223672
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 Author| Post time 21-7-2013 11:52 PM | Show all posts
Pada 9 Julai yang lalu saya telah membaca satu ruangan di akhbar THE STAR dan menariknya terdapatnya article ini (maaf dalam BI )

yang ditulis oleh Saudara  Wan Saiful Wan Jan -  I have no idea who he is anyway but  interesting ideas he brought in the written article.


Our thoughts and opinions are guided by four principles; the rule of law, limited government, free markets, and individual liberty and responsibility.

I AM really glad to start a fortnightly column in this newspaper. The Star has a long history with Almarhum Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra, the first Prime Minister of Malaysia, who was also our greatest Prime Minister.

When he was a columnist for The Star, he never shied away from making principled commentaries about difficult issues. The country owes him a lot, and his legacy is one that must not be forgotten.

As an organisation inspired by Almarhum Tunku’s vision to see this land become a nation of “liberty and justice”, we at IDEAS are always looking for the opportunity to follow in his footsteps.

The founding president of IDEAS, Tunku ‘Abidin Muhriz, too, had a column in this newspaper. His wit and style of writing would be difficult to match, but the key messages that we all bring in our writings are similar.

Everyone in IDEAS is committed to classical liberal principles, and we look for opportunities to apply this political philosophy in public policy.

Our thoughts and opinions are guided by four principles; the rule of law, limited government, free markets, and individual liberty and responsibility.




Question : what is meant by this so called Classical liberal principles? apa yang dimaksudkan dengan terma ini : classical liberal principles ?


In a publication that we released back in 2010 titled The Tunku’s Great Ideas, we outlined how Tunku Abdul Rahman himself consistently advocated these four principles. The publication can be downloaded free from our website www.ideas.org.my.

However, since classical liberalism puts emphasis on individual liberty, it would be wrong to say everyone in the organisation always speaks with one voice.

We, in IDEAS, are opinionated individuals in our own rights and our interpretation of the philosophy may differ from one another. So, while the big picture may be the same, the details may differ.

I accepted the invitation to write in this newspaper following a chance encounter with The Star’s group chief editor Datuk Seri Wong Chun Wai. At the height of the campaign period for the 13th general election, we were both invited to be on a panel in RTM. While waiting for our slot, we chatted about the role the media played in the campaign.

We discussed the differences between mainstream press like The Star and party organs like PAS’ Harakah.

As one of the accredited election observers, I told Chun Wai that many people I met have been complaining about how many of the mainstream media were very one-sided in their reporting.

I jokingly told him that if The Star did not change its tack, it would become an English version of Harakah.

Soon after GE13, I received an SMS from Chun Wai inviting me to be a columnist in this newspaper. He said he wanted new voices, and that The Star is not an English version of Harakah.

I was pleasantly surprised that he remembered what I said in jest, and I am delighted and humbled to be invited into this newspaper.

Actually, I am not new to The Star. I was once a columnist for The Star’s iPad edition. But I started that venture at the wrong time and had to stop after just a few articles. At that time, IDEAS was not even two years old yet. As the founding CEO, I had to prioritise my time to build up the think tank and this made the column suffer. That’s why I thought it would be fairer to the editor if I stopped the column instead of continuously missing deadlines.

I was hoping to start writing sooner, but unfortunately this first article had to be delayed a bit. My house caught fire on June 9 and most of my belongings were either burnt or damaged by water. Searching for a new house, buying furniture and clothes from scratch, and moving took a lot of my time (and bloated my credit card bill too!). But I do hope that from today I can play my little role to be a “critical friend” in The Star.

The country is still grappling with the outcomes of GE13. Prior to GE13, only a small number of people believed that Barisan Nasional could do better than 2008.

The vast majority of informed analysts have always said that BN would perform worse, but PR would not win. So, the outcome of GE13 was not really a surprise to many of us.

What was surprising to me, however, is to see how many of our politicians failed to prepare for the results. And today, we see several BN leaders keep making mistakes after mistakes. The biggest was when some suggested that Malaysian Chinese and urban voters of all backgrounds were ungrateful. To this, my response is that we citizens have nothing to be grateful about when dealing with politicians.

Instead, it is the politicians who should be grateful to us. We elected them. We pay their salaries, housing allowances, car allowances, and many more.

Every single sen they earn by virtue of being a salaried politician, including the money they use to support their families, is because of us. They owe their living to us, not the other way round.

The death of feudalism is certain and the true masters are we, the people. If these servants continue to think that they are the masters, then they are paving the road to retirement in GE14.

And I hope that sets the tone for my future articles in this newspaper!

Komen ini saya tak ambil pusing sangat  sebab ini pendapatnya tentang suasana politik pasca PRU 13. dan apa yang diutarakannya adalah sepertimana penyokong barisan alternative suarakan , which is fine I guess...



> Wan Saiful Wan Jan is chief executive of the Institute for Democracy and Economic Affairs (www.ideas.org.my)


but  tang individual liberty tu interesting ...

ada article susulan?

menarik juga bila ada yang menulis , semuanya ikut interprestasi mereka ...
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 Author| Post time 21-7-2013 11:53 PM | Show all posts
terngiamg ngiang  macam topic sejarah dulu - laissez faire, adam smith ...etc

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Post time 22-7-2013 12:26 AM | Show all posts
mbhcsf posted on 21-7-2013 11:53 PM
terngiamg ngiang  macam topic sejarah dulu - laissez faire, adam smith ...etc

Adam smith adik beradik Adam sandler ke?

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Post time 22-7-2013 07:05 AM | Show all posts
Ade ke istilah melayu corporatocracy?
- penjenamaan semula kot...
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 Author| Post time 22-7-2013 08:55 AM | Show all posts
Dzulqarnain posted on 22-7-2013 07:05 AM
Ade ke istilah melayu corporatocracy?
- penjenamaan semula kot...

ade ke? kat mana?
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Post time 23-7-2013 05:35 AM | Show all posts
mbhcsf posted on 22-7-2013 08:55 AM
ade ke? kat mana?

Cer refer...

Instead, it is the politicians who should be grateful to us. We elected them. We pay their salaries, housing allowances, car allowances, and many more.

Every single sen they earn by virtue of being a salaried politician, including the money they use to support their families, is because of us. They owe their living to us, not the other way round.

APCO dh selamat, lps ni TPP plk.
Dan ayat² korporat (ahli ekonomi) yg mempertahankan 'demokrasi' bila...

The death of feudalism is certain and the true masters are we, the people. If these servants continue to think that they are the masters, then they are paving the road to retirement in GE14.

walhal sebenarnya lbh afdol digelar corporatocracy.

Dan pasti ada adja yg menentangnya - technocracy.


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 Author| Post time 23-7-2013 06:08 AM | Show all posts
Dzulqarnain posted on 23-7-2013 05:35 AM
Cer refer...

ok Alex noted. I lebih berminat tentang classical liberalisme

kot kot ada yg terlepas pandang.
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Post time 24-7-2013 04:22 AM | Show all posts
mbhcsf posted on 23-7-2013 06:08 AM
ok Alex noted. I lebih berminat tentang classical liberalisme

kot kot ada yg terlepas pandang.

Cer tanya Adam smith
apa itu 'invisible hand'...
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Post time 1-8-2013 04:14 PM | Show all posts
mbhcsf posted on 23-7-2013 06:08 AM
ok Alex noted. I lebih berminat tentang classical liberalisme

kot kot ada yg terlepas pandang.

salam

what i know .. hard work and core values ..

Tiada Malaysia berhenti kerana ia terus berkeras mahu ke dalam menjadi
sebuah negara maju sepenuhnya sama ada dalam
  • arena ekonomi,
  • sukan atau
  • modal insan.


Walau bagaimanapun, soalan yang timbul daripada peningkatan pembangunan ini
adalah sains dan teknologi moden ..
yang hanya penting untuk masa depan yang emas/only key to a golden future?

Bagaimana pula dengan orang-orang d'negara kita ?
yang akan menjadi daya penggerak pertumbuhan negara kita .
Apakah ciri-ciri atau nilai-nilai teras yang merupakan warganegara sebenar Malaysia?

Untuk menjawab soalan-soalan ini,
Malaysia mesti melihat kembali ke masa lalu untuk mendapatkan inspirasi daripada
wira negara yang telah membentuk asas negara kita dengan kerja keras mereka dan nilai-nilai teras.
Melalui mata individu daripada generasi selepas Merdeka,
kita masih berpegang makna menjadi warganegara sebenar negara kita .

wassalam


Last edited by NorAddin on 1-8-2013 04:16 PM

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