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what about Christains killing Christians in Germany, poland, USA, Mexico, Brazil, canada, Rwanda, france, England, and many many more..frankly the crime rates commited by Christians in the west is musch higher!
1. You quote me out of context. Typical........!
2. How many Christians killed Christians in the name of God and/or under the pretext their victims were bad Christians? It did happen, several centuries ago, but, let's say, the past 200 years? How many?
3. Crime rates of Christians in the West are of course higher, because there are more of them.......thus far.........but that is changing, right? With the "peaceful" invasion of the West by your Muslim hordes........And not to forget by the "gentle" conversions in the West (and Africa....what do you consider Africa to be? The South? That may annoy the Aussies....).
4. What about crime rates in the East.......?????
What is the East and West in your view, anyway?
source : http://www.israelforum.com/board ... te-each-other/page2
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mashimaru83 posted on 9-4-2013 09:40 AM 
You missed my point completely. There are people with no religion who are also fighting among ...
Ok is Christianity evil, because Hitler burned Jews.
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Truth.8 posted on 9-4-2013 10:19 AM
show me proof.....
your religion always on war and fight...i m not making up stories...open ...
Truth.8:
show me proof.....
your religion always on war and fight...i m not making up stories...open tv...sunni bomb mosque...shia killed leader of mosque...muslims kill infidel...
yet, when come to haj..you muslims put great show try to potray that "we muslims' are one and peaceful and growing...
the fact, it other way around....just look at your muslims..how could peace loving peoples and destory mosque a place of worshipped? what kind of religion is this??
Again, please bring a complete proof that cover all cases for your claim below:
Truth.8:
Religion makes world upside down. religion makes peoples mental block. religion makes peoples less productive. religion makes peoples emotion. Religion makes fight among themselves and list goes on...
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mashimaru83 posted on 9-4-2013 11:20 AM
Again, another cherry-pick. You pick a group of people who involve in war and fight and blame re ... Again, another cherry-pick. You pick a group of people who involve in war and fight and blame religion for it. Your claim on saying religion is causing fight and war doesn't work after I show to you that there are also religious people who don't involve in war and fight. The proof is me. I don't involve in fight and war.
peoples not stupid...they can watch daily news...is out there...
Again, please bring a complete proof that cover all cases for your claim below:
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mashimaru83 posted on 8-4-2013 09:57 PM
If I understand correctly, you extracted the criterias from the Bible and the extracted criteria ...
Even that explaination by gunblade712 is too subjective and not impartial & objective. His explaination is solely based on his knowledge of Islam and Quran and it is not holistic and universal.
Now, let me ask you few simple questions and few simple comparisons;
1. In human history, no human other than Jesus dare to claim that He is God. So, He is either a biggest lunatic iar in history or He indeed is a God. John 14:8-11
Muhammad never claims he is God, nor did Buddha and nor did Bahaullah.......
So do you believe Jesus is God ?
2. There were 44 prophecies on Jesus Christ in Old Testament. written almost a thousand years before Him. These prophecies on Jesus all fulfilled by Him a thousand year later. His crucifixion and resurrection as mentioned in OT were all fullfilled by Him. Then later, His accounts of crucifixion and resurrection were recorded by his disciples in the Gospels who had witnessed all this !
Muhammad on the other hand, was bornt 7 centuries after Christ and claimed that Jesus was never crucified but ascended by Allah to heaven. Could a person bornt 7 centuries later knew better what was going on 7 centuries ago as compare to Jesus's own disciples who were the witnesses to all these ???? Use your logic mind !
If you just like any other muslims whom with no evidences claim that Bible has beeen corrupted.......then i tell you, for the same reason, Islam can't accuse Bahai as fake faith as its founder Bahaullah came 12 centuries later after Muhammad and claimed that he is the ultimate last prophet and not Muhammad !
Think........
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Truth.8 posted on 9-4-2013 11:26 AM
peoples not stupid...they can watch daily news...is out there...
already proof in my statmen ... Truth.8:
peoples not stupid...they can watch daily news...is out there...
already proof in my statments above...or google for more
Again, you failed to understand my point. You like to generalize everything especially when it involves Islam; just because a bunch of guys do bad things, then the whole religion is wrong. I simply pointed out that your generalization is completely wrong; if a bunch of bad guys do bad thing does not mean all men are bad, there are still many good men.
As much as there are bad Muslims, there are also bad Christians, bad Jesus Christ follower, bad Atheists and bad Hindus around the world. I still don't understand your cherry-pick attitude against Islam.
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wkk5159 posted on 9-4-2013 11:50 AM
Even that explaination by gunblade712 is too subjective and not impartial & objective. His explain ...
wkk5159:
Even that explaination by gunblade712 is too subjective and not impartial & objective. His explaination is solely based on his knowledge of Islam and Quran and it is not holistic and universal.
wkk5159:
1. In human history, no human other than Jesus dare to claim that He is God. So, He is either a biggest lunatic iar in history or He indeed is a God. John 14:8-11
Muhammad never claims he is God, nor did Buddha and nor did Bahaullah.......
So do you believe Jesus is God ?
wkk5159:
2. There were 44 prophecies on Jesus Christ in Old Testament. written almost a thousand years before Him. These prophecies on Jesus all fulfilled by Him a thousand year later. His crucifixion and resurrection as mentioned in OT were all fullfilled by Him. Then later, His accounts of crucifixion and resurrection were recorded by his disciples in the Gospels who had witnessed all this !
wkk5159:
Muhammad on the other hand, was bornt 7 centuries after Christ and claimed that Jesus was never crucified but ascended by Allah to heaven. Could a person bornt 7 centuries later knew better what was going on 7 centuries ago as compare to Jesus's own disciples who were the witnesses to all these ???? Use your logic mind !
wkk5159:
If you just like any other muslims whom with no evidences claim that Bible has beeen corrupted.......then i tell you, for the same reason, Islam can't accuse Bahai as fake faith as its founder Bahaullah came 12 centuries later after Muhammad and claimed that he is the ultimate last prophet and not Muhammad !
Think........
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mashimaru83 posted on 9-4-2013 07:05 PM
His explanation could be too subjective but the verse from Al-Quran is not. The verse clearly as ...
Appears that your knowledge of Bible is really shallow.
There are many verses in the Bible state that Jesus is God, well known examples;
“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).
" Before Abraham was, I am. "(John 8:58)
John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” This verse clearly says that God incarnate as Jesus !
And consider this amazing and precise prophecy !
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 (written: 712 BC (Before Christ)
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23
I don't see the point going into mindless argument whether any criterias could be applied in order to prove that certain Scripture is really Word of God as this is really childish. Any human inspired writtings can all be proven by whatever known theory that we have but God inspired writtings can't, that what set man inspired writtings and God inspired writtings apart ! Like i said before, if you claim that the Quran has criterias that prove it to be word of God is simply subjective and not objective at all. Make sure that you know the difference between subjective and objective !
Ask you a simple question, can you use any man made theory or formula to prove the existence of God ??
What make you to think that Quran is correct and Bible is corrupted ??
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wkk5159 posted on 10-4-2013 12:07 AM
Appears that your knowledge of Bible is really shallow.
There are many verses in the Bible stat ...
Truth.8:
There are many verses in the Bible state that Jesus is God, well known examples;
“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).
" Before Abraham was, I am. "(John 8:58)
John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” This verse clearly says that God incarnate as Jesus !
Truth.8:
I don't see the point going into mindless argument whether any criterias could be applied in order to prove that certain Scripture is really Word of God as this is really childish. Any human inspired writtings can all be proven by whatever known theory that we have but God inspired writtings can't, that what set man inspired writtings and God inspired writtings apart !
Truth.8:
Like i said before, if you claim that the Quran has criterias that prove it to be word of God is simply subjective and not objective at all. Make sure that you know the difference between subjective and objective !
Truth.8:
Ask you a simple question, can you use any man made theory or formula to prove the existence of God ??
Truth.8:
What make you to think that Quran is correct and Bible is corrupted ??
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You are not answering my question, instead you ask more insignificant questions. When i said you are subjective, it means that you are judging things from your own perspective, in your case, a muslim's view.
Ok, let's cut it short, there's no point of asking lots of petty questions and then go a big round cycle and you left with even more unanswered questions.
Why i believe Bible really is words of God ??? Actually quite a number of points i had given in my previous post if you seriously paying any attention and more importantly understand what i try to convey.
Actually one of the utmost important criteria i used when judging a faith is by looking at the founder of that faith, who they are and deeds they had committed.
1. Jesus - Claims to be God and proving to be One by fullfilling all the prophecies. He never kills and never had any sexual relationship and never married before.
2. Buddha - Never claims to be God but the Enlightened One. He never kills but married before.
3. Bab & Bahaullah - Never claim to be God. They never kill ??? but married ??
4. Muhammad - Never claims to be God. He murdered a lots of Jews and pagans during his time. Had 13 wives with the youngest Aishah as young as 6 yrs old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 !
You see, when i first comparing the religion, the very first one i eliminated from my list was Islam, just simply base on the deeds committed by Muhammad.
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wkk5159 posted on 10-4-2013 10:17 AM
You are not answering my question, instead you ask more insignificant questions. When i said you are ...
can I know? what is your religion before this?
You are not answering my question, instead you ask more insignificant questions. When i said you are subjective, it means that you are judging things from your own perspective, in your case, a muslim's view.
Ok, let's cut it short, there's no point of asking lots of petty questions and then go a big round cycle and you left with even more unanswered questions.
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mashimaru83 posted on 9-4-2013 06:16 PM
Again, you failed to understand my point. You like to generalize everything especially when it i ... Again, you failed to understand my point. You like to generalize everything especially when it involves Islam; just because a bunch of guys do bad things, then the whole religion is wrong. I simply pointed out that your generalization is completely wrong; if a bunch of bad guys do bad thing does not mean all men are bad, there are still many good men.
come on lah...face the fact and be honest....the day islam was born until now...what u see?? u must be sincere ok...alright..there are some good muslims...i am not denying it...i hve seen good muslims ....may be from malay side not sure about others side...
i hve friends frm mix indian muslims and malays...ok lah...but not all ok....
the reality ...muslims and muslims burning mosque and killing each other...i m not talking about 200 yrs but even present time....u cannot deny that...
As much as there are bad Muslims, there are also bad Christians, bad Jesus Christ follower, bad Atheists and bad Hindus around the world. I still don't understand your cherry-pick attitude against Islam.
Bad christians can be rapist , murderer , robbers and etc but do they burn churuch in name of god???
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wkk5159 posted on 10-4-2013 10:17 AM
You are not answering my question, instead you ask more insignificant questions. When i said you are ... You see, when i first comparing the religion, the very first one i eliminated from my list was Islam, just simply base on the deeds committed by Muhammad.
scareyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
any thing can stay in cave....pagan mediate in cave too
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Truth.8 posted on 10-4-2013 05:19 PM
come on lah...face the fact and be honest....the day islam was born until now...what u see?? u m ...
Truth.8:
come on lah...face the fact and be honest....the day islam was born until now...what u see?? u must be sincere ok...alright..there are some good muslims...i am not denying it...i hve seen good muslims ....may be from malay side not sure about others side...
i hve friends frm mix indian muslims and malays...ok lah...but not all ok....
the reality ...muslims and muslims burning mosque and killing each other...i m not talking about 200 yrs but even present time....u cannot deny that...
Bad christians can be rapist , murderer , robbers and etc but do they burn churuch in name of god???
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mashimaru83 posted on 10-4-2013 06:37 PM
Yes, I'm being honest here. I have stated clearly as much as there are bad Muslims, there are al ...
does bad christians, hindus , buddhist burning their own place of worship? or do they kill each other for their differences for their believed?or do they hijacked plane, kinnaped , bomb blast here and there??
bad ethnic could be anything from bad element frorm rapist, murder , robbers but i do not see bad ethnic of faith burning their own place of worshipped...but in muslims i am seeing it ...
how you expaline that?
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wkk5159 posted on 10-4-2013 10:17 AM
You are not answering my question, instead you ask more insignificant questions. When i said you are ... wkk5159:
You are not answering my question, instead you ask more insignificant questions. When i said you are subjective, it means that you are judging things from your own perspective, in your case, a muslim's view.
I apologize if I missed your question. Do you mind to repeat the unanswered question (which related to the current discussion) again?
I'm not sure which of my judgement that you were referring to, nevertheless the criteria given previously was not coming from my own judgement. It was originated from Al-Quran. Is this criteria is still subjective? Kindly explain.
wkk5159:
Why i believe Bible really is words of God ??? Actually quite a number of points i had given in my previous post if you seriously paying any attention and more importantly understand what i try to convey.
I am aware of the points given. Some of the criterias given are either too subjective or can be fulfilled by other books but despite that you still stick to the Bible. That is the reason I keep asking again and again what are the actual criterias that made you chose the Bible.
wkk5159:
Actually one of the utmost important criteria i used when judging a faith is by looking at the founder of that faith, who they are and deeds they had committed.
1. Jesus - Claims to be God and proving to be One by fullfilling all the prophecies. He never kills and never had any sexual relationship and never married before.
2. Buddha - Never claims to be God but the Enlightened One. He never kills but married before.
3. Bab & Bahaullah - Never claim to be God. They never kill ??? but married ??
4. Muhammad - Never claims to be God. He murdered a lots of Jews and pagans during his time. Had 13 wives with the youngest Aishah as young as 6 yrs old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 !
You see, when i first comparing the religion, the very first one i eliminated from my list was Islam, just simply base on the deeds committed by Muhammad.
There are flaws in your own criteria. Unfortunately Jesus doesn't fulfill the criteria as God. God cannot die, God (the Creator) cannot turn into its own creation (Human). God only do godly things. Sorry I have to do this again; please bring a working criteria. I suggest you use Biblical verse as the criteria. Remember, what I'm looking for is the criteria to show that Bible is the words of God and not Jesus is God.
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Truth.8 posted on 10-4-2013 07:27 PM
does bad christians, hindus , buddhist burning their own place of worship? or do they kill each ot ...
Truth.8:
does bad christians, hindus , buddhist burning their own place of worship? or do they kill each other for their differences for their believed?or do they hijacked plane, kinnaped , bomb blast here and there??
bad ethnic could be anything from bad element frorm rapist, murder , robbers but i do not see bad ethnic of faith burning their own place of worshipped...but in muslims i am seeing it ...
how you expaline that?
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mashimaru83 posted on 10-4-2013 07:30 PM
I apologize if I missed your question. Do you mind to repeat the unanswered question (which rela ...
Of course God won't die, it is just a symbolic death. When Jesus was crucified, he resurrected 3 days later, he conquered DEATH so that whoever believe in Him will have everlasting LIFE.
Crucification and resurrection of Jesus has it's significance unparallel in any other religion.
Of course muslims don't believe in crucification and resurrection of Jesus Christ and this is what set Christianity and Islam apart as crucification and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the tenet of Christianity.
You want to be resurrected on Judgement Day ? And live everlastingly after that ???
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mashimaru83 posted on 10-4-2013 07:30 PM
Jesus doesn't fulfill the criteria as God
God cannot die...why cannot?
HIS love to humans and Yesus came to participate in earth to show that HIS love un conditionally...thats isreal love...
besides, you muslims cannot even understand why Jesus was born in womb of awomen without intercourse with a men...
adam was made from clay...from his clay we are his generations...
Jesus ??? u figure out...
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