[MERGED] Holocaust

sonny~~

:devil:

Institute for Historical Review

The Holocaust Issue and Middle East Policy
Alfred M. Lilienthal

One is unable to discuss Middle East policy without bringing up this question of the Holocaust. Let me make my thinking clear: The Nazi genocide was a gross tragedy. It matters little whether six million or three million, or but three Jews were killed, simply because they were Jews. It was one of the worst abominations committed against humanity. But we ought to also remember that other peoples, other than Jews, were victimized as well. There is no reason why, today, 47 years after the end of World War II, we must constantly look back over our shoulders and dwell infinitely on the tragedy of that time, rather than to move forward and seek remedies for our many current ills.

The reason for this continuing backward look is to make us all feel guilty, Christians and Jews alike, and to silence us in the face of what has been going on in Palestine's occupied territories, the West Bank and Gaza. Day in and day out, the media -- led by The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the television networks -- in stories and headlines, aim to make us all feel guilty as hell. It is either a reunion of Holocaust survivors, if not a gathering of the grandchildren, and even the story of the great grandchildren. "Bormann is alive," ran the headlines five years ago. And more recently, the bones of the killer Mengele were exhumed, to see whether or not the Nazi was really dead and buried there. These stories always appear in booming headlines.

Concentrate the attention of public opinion makers and the American people on the many sins of mankind committed against the Jews through genocide and anti-Semitism, in its many forms, and inject Holocaustomania into every possible aspect of daily life, politics, religion, the arts and the entertainment world. Then, no one will ever be able to make a reasoned, logical judgment on how best we can bring about peace in the harassed Middle East.

American attention is thus diverted from the dangerous incubator of future war, the abysmal neglect of Palestinian human rights. Many Americans here at home who see this are, however, inhibited and fearful of speaking out, lest they be labeled "anti-Semites" by the partisans of Israel.

I sense a growing stirring and latent, ugly anti-Semitism resulting from this free-speech suppression. This deeply concerns me, as it must many others.

The policies of the State of Israel, as well as Zionism and the Jews, must be open to constructive criticism. I do not believe the Holocaust saga should be sanctified as if it were our third holy book along with the Old and New Testaments. Even they are open to scrutiny in the search for truth.

Thomas Jefferson once asked the Virginia legislature, "For God's sake, why can't we really hear both sides?"

I do not believe that questioning certain exaggerated details of the grossest act of humanity, as I have done, and will continue to do, is tantamount to asserting there was no Holocaust. Only a big fool or a greater villain takes such a view today. When I questioned the authenticity of The Diary of Anne Frank, I was widely assailed. It cost me dearly in my relations with my alma mater, Cornell University. But there is a fundamental difference between saying there was no Holocaust, and insisting that the Holocaust not be used continuously as a justification and a cover up to win sympathy for the Zionist position and Israeli excesses, and as an excuse for ignoring the plight of the Palestinians.

Unfortunately, it is no exaggeration to sadly note that worship of the State of Israel and the Holocaust, have become the new Golden Calves of Jewry, and that they are slowly supplanting the worship of Yahweh. The Chief Rabbi of Britain, Immanuel Jakobovits, has stated that the Holocaust has become "an industry far from the soul of Judaism."

Relative to this, when I spoke at Claremont in 1976, I pleaded for a free and open debate on U.S. Middle East policy as a prime necessity. I called for discussion in which both speaking out in favor of the Palestinian right to self-determination, and against accepting chapter and verse of the oft-repeated tale of Nazi genocide and anti-Semitism, can take place without drawing the label of "anti-Semite." Unfortunately, as eminent columnist Joe Sobran recently quipped, "It used to be that an anti-Semite was anyone who hated Jews. Now, it is anyone whom Jews hate."

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About the author
Alfred M. Lilienthal, historian, journalist and lecturer, is a graduate of Cornell University and Columbia Law School. During the Second World War, he served with the US Army in the Middle East. He later served with the Department of State, and as a consultant to the American delegation at the organizing meeting of the United Nations in San Francisco. Since 1947, he has been at the forefront in the struggle for a balanced US policy in the Middle East. He is the author of several acclaimed books on the Middle East, including The Zionist Connection. (Available from the IHR for $29, plus $3 shipping.) He now lives in Washington, DC. This commentary is taken from Dr. Lilienthal's address at a meeting of the National Association of Arab Americans in Los Angeles, December 5, 1992.

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sonny~~

indeed former malaysian prime minister is right  :hmm:

Mahathir is right: Jews do rule the world

from : http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EJ28Aa02.html

Just because you are paranoid it doesn't prove that they are not out to get you. Paranoid, to be sure, was Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's allegation that the "Jews rule this world by proxy" on October 16. Whether Dr Mahathir himself is paranoid, or whether he adapted his words to the paranoia of his audience makes little difference. Through the twisted prism of paranoia, the facts on the ground do indeed suggest that the Jews rule the world.

Europeans who turn up their noses at Malaysia's leader should recall that just 60 years ago, Europe's official ideology (under Nazi conquest) agreed with Mahathir's claim that the Jews "invented and successfully promoted socialism, communism, human rights and democracy". That is where Mahathir doubtless got the idea in the first place. Not only Adolf Hitler, but the highest circles of the Catholic Church believed that communism was a Jewish plot, as a Swiss priest, Father Martin Rhonheimer, documents in the November 2003 issue of First Things.

read more : from: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EJ28Aa02.html

[ Last edited by planb on 28-10-2003 at 06:41 AM ]

sonny~~

:hmm:

[From Z Magazine, May 2002]
Question & Answer
Background to the Israel-Palestine Crisis
by Stephen R. Shalom

What are the modern origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

During World War I, Britain made three different promises regarding historic Palestine. Arab leaders were assured that the land would become independent; in the Balfour declaration, Britain indicated its support for a Jewish national home in Palestine; and secretly Britain arranged with its allies to divide up Ottoman territory, with Palestine becoming part of the British empire. Historians have engaged in detailed exegesis of the relevant texts and maps, but the fundamental point is that Britain had no moral right to assign Palestine to anyone: by right Palestine belonged to its inhabitants.

In the late years of the 19th century, anti-Semitism became especially virulent in Russia and re-emerged in France. Some Jews concluded that only in a Jewish state would Jews be safe and thus founded Zionism. Most Jews at the time rejected Zionism, preferring instead to address the problem of anti-Semitism through revolutionary or reformist politics or assimilation. And for many orthodox Jews, especially the small Jewish community in Palestine, a Jewish state could only be established by God, not by humans. At first Zionists were willing to consider other sites for their Jewish state, but they eventually focused on Palestine for its biblical connections. The problem, however, was that although a Zionist slogan called Palestine "a land without people for a people without land," the land was not at all empty.

Following World War I, Britain arranged for the League of Nations to make Palestine a British "mandate," which is to say a colony to be administered by Britain and prepared for independence. To help justify its rule over Arab land, Britain arranged that one of its duties as the mandatory power would be to promote a Jewish national home.

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2004-4-29 01:13 PM:
:hmm:

[From Z Magazine, May 2002]
Question & Answer
Background to the Israel-Palestine Crisis
by Stephen R. Shalom

What are the modern origins of the Israeli-Palestinian confli ...

Very Good write-ups Sonny~~.  Lets keep it up.

Debmey

Not true. The Palestinian tragedy is a making of the arabs themselves, they cannot blame the Jews.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-4-29 03:27 PM:
Not true. The Palestinian tragedy is a making of the arabs themselves, they cannot blame the Jews.

how come?  plz elaborate intelligently n with HARDproofs  

peace

Debmey

I am intelligent. The hard proof is in the Palestinian constitution that the Arabs has written up. Not forgetting the three wars they have fought and lost.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-4-30 12:27 PM:
I am intelligent. The hard proof is in the Palestinian constitution that the Arabs has written up. Not forgetting the three wars they have fought and lost.

where in the PALESTINIAN constitution that says "The Palestinian tragedy is a making of the arabs themselves, they cannot blame the Jews" as u've alleged?  where?  no HARDintelligent counter response from u means u're deceptive spammer as usual  

peace

Debmey

It does say that it wants to occupy the whole of Israel and they did start 3 wars and lost.

cheers

Seraphim

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 30-4-2004 01:28 PM:


where in the PALESTINIAN constitution that says "The Palestinian tragedy is a making of the arabs themselves, they cannot blame the Jews" as u've alleged?  where?  no H ...

You have no idea what to type in is it?

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-4-30 01:49 PM:
It does say that it wants to occupy the whole of Israel and they did start 3 wars and lost.

cheers

where it says in PALESTINE constitution that PALESTINIANS wanna occupy israel?  where?  HARDevidence plz.  otherwise u're deceptive spammer  

peace

sonny~~

Originally posted by Seraphim at 2004-4-30 01:53 PM:


You have no idea what to type in is it?

wot u wanna say?  be specific.  no beatin round bushy bush  

peace

Debmey

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2004-4-30 01:55 PM:


where it says in PALESTINE constitution that PALESTINIANS wanna occupy israel?  where?  HARDevidence plz.  otherwise u're deceptive spammer  

peace

Its in the constitution, just look at the flag itself. You gotta read it.


cheers

kid

Originally posted by Debmey at 30-4-2004 06:38 PM:


Its in the constitution, just look at the flag itself. You gotta read it.


cheers

??? what constitution? and what were about the flag and constitution? so confusing

Debmey

They want to claim the whole of Israel, thats a wrong thing to do.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-5-1 06:33 AM:
They want to claim the whole of Israel, thats a wrong thing to do.

read KIDs n me posts agin.  wot about it - the constitution n flag?  where it says PALESTINIANS wanna claim israel?  where?  

peace

Originally posted by kid at 2004-5-1 02:26 AM:

??? what constitution? and what were about the flag and constitution? so confusing

sonny~~

[From Z Magazine, May 2002]
Question & Answer
Background to the Israel-Palestine Crisis
by Stephen R. Shalom

Who were the Jews who came to Palestine?

The early Zionist settlers were idealistic, often socialist, individuals, fleeing oppression. In this respect they were like the early American colonists. But also like the American colonists, many Zionists had racist attitudes toward the indigenous people and little regard for their well-being.1

Some Zionists thought in terms of Arab-Jewish cooperation and a bi-national state, but many were determined to set up an exclusively Jewish state (though to avoid antagonizing the Palestinians, they decided to use the term Jewish "national home" rather than "state" until they were able to bring enough Jews to Palestine).

Jewish immigration to Palestine was relatively limited until the 1930s,.when Hitler came to power. The U.S. and Europe closed their doors to immigration by desperate jews, making Palestine one of the few options.

Who were the indigenous people of Palestine?

Pro-Israel propaganda has argued that most Palestinians actually entered Palestine after 1917, drawn to the economic dynamism of the growing Jewish community, and thus have no rights to Palestine. This argument has been elaborated in Joan Peters' widely promoted book, From Time Immemorial. However, the book has been shown to be fraudulent and its claim false.2 The indigenous population was mostly Muslim, with a Christian and a smaller Jewish minority. As Zionists arrived from Europe, the Muslims and Christians began to adopt a distinctly Palestinian national identity.

13Friday

human histories and stories are bias depending on the writers.

the best is still in the Bible, as who should stay in the covenanted land.

That is one of the reasons for the non Jews to suffer to this day, over stayed their welcome.

All things must come to pass until the 1948 and beyond.

The ARabs and the Egyptians have their own homeland and yet
they (Muslims) like to go overseas like UK and Israel to dominate there.

Who are the real troble makers when Arafat sworn to destroy Israel
and push Israelites and Jews to the sea?


Make sense the Jews would come to accept Christ soon through this
kind of FIRE.

13Friday

the truth is in the BIBLE

sonny~~

Originally posted by 13Friday at 2004-5-1 04:23 PM:
human histories and stories are bias depending on the writers.

the best is still in the Bible, as who should stay in the covenanted land.

That is one of the reasons for the non Jews to suffer ...

where yahweh teaches jews to genocide PALESTINIANS n rape PALESTINE so as to get their socalled covenanted land?  where?  no HARDevidence from u means u're hecklin liar.  simple  

peace