Gereja Katolik Pertama Di Arab Saudi?

anak_pejuang · Post time 5-4-2008 02:03 AM

Saudi Arabia extends hand of friendship to Pope Richard Owen

The Times, March 17, 2008RomeThe Vatican is believed to be holding talks with Saudi authoritiesover opening the first Roman Catholic church in the Islamic kingdom, where Christian worship is banned and even to possess a Bible, rosary orcrucifix is an offence.

The disclosure came the day after the first Catholic church in Qatarwas inaugurated in a service attended by 15,000 people and conducted by asenior Vatican official.The Vatican and Saudi Arabia do not have diplomatic relations.

However, Archbishop Paul-Mounged El-Hachem, the Papal Nuncio to Qatar, Kuwait,the UAE, Yemen and Bahrain, who attended the Doha inauguration, saidthat moves towards diplomatic ties were under way after anunprecedented visit to the Vatican last November by King Abdullah. This wouldinvolve negotiations for the "authorisation of the building of Catholicchurches" in Saudi Arabia, he said.

The move would amount to a potential revolution in Christian-Muslimrelations, since Saudi Arabia adheres to a hardline Wahhabi versionof Sunni Islam and is home to Mecca and Medina, the most holy sites ofthe religion. No faith other than Islam may be practised.Related Links* Analysis: Saudi Arabia and the Vatican

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Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said that he could not confirm that the two sides were in negotiations. However, he added: "If, as we hope, we reach an agreement authorising the construction of the first church in Saudi Arabia, it will be a step of historic importance."Saudi religious police search the homes of Christians regularly; even private prayer services are forbidden in practice.

Foreign workers have to observe Ramadan but are not allowed to celebrate Christmas or Easter.La Stampa, the Italian daily, said that the talks would have been"unthinkable" until recently. The way was paved by KingAbdullah's talks with the Pope and by the recent setting up of apermanent Catholic-Muslim forum to repair relations between the twofaiths after the Pope's controversiol remarks on Islam at theUniversity of Regensburg in 2006.The Pope said that his apparent reference to Islam as inherently violent had been misunderstood and he made amends by praying at the Blue Mosque in Istanbul soon afterwards.

Of the Saudi Arabian population, 94 per cent are Muslim and less than 4 per cent - nearly a million people - Christian, nearly all of them foreign workers. The last Christian priest was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1985.Qatar, which hopes to bid to host the Olympic Games in 2016, has approved five churches for other Christian denominations, including the Anglican Communion.

March 18, 2008, Negotiations are underway to build the first Catholic church inSaudi Arabia with King Abdullah lending his support for itsconstruction.Vatican Radio reports the Vatican and the Saudi government arecurrently in talks to allow the church despite the kingdoms ban on allowing theconstruction of any non-Muslim place of worship.No religion other than Islam is allowed to schedule public services,and even the possession of bibles, rosaries, and crucifixes is forbidden.

Saudi Arabia is the only country on the Arabian Peninsula without a Catholic Church despite the 800,000 Catholics - virtually all of whoare foreign workers.While Saudi Arabia does not have formal diplomatic relations with the Holy See, King Abdullah became the first reigning Saudi monarch everto visit the Vatican last November.Commenting after his meeting with the Pope Vatican officialsconfirmed the Pontiff pressed for permission to open a Catholic church in the kingdom.

Holy See spokesman Fr Federico Lombardi said that opening a Catholicparish in the Islamic land would be "a historic achievement" forreligious freedom and a major step forward for inter-religiousdialogue.The apostolic nuncio to Kuwait, Qatar, Yemen, the United ArabEmirates, and Bahrain, Archbishop Paul-Mounged El-Hachem, is reportedly thelead Vatican negotiator in talks with Saudi officials.

Kemungkinan, atas dasar liberalisasi dan hak asasi manusia serta tekanan antarabangsa menyebabkan pemerintah Saudi mula membuka pintu untuk kristian bertapak. Suka hatilah..sebab mereka yang berkuasa. Tetapi..renunglah, apa nak jadi dengan keadaan negara yang mempunyai Dua Tanah Suci Umat Islam jika gereja bertapak dan menjalankan aktiviti mrk disana. Bani Saud juga harus menjaga sensitiviti Ummat ini. Apa nak jadi daa..

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Muntz · Post time 5-4-2008 02:08 AM

Apa nak heran.. zaman Rasulullah SAW dulu pun ada synagogue Yahudi dan gereja Kristian. Siap boleh hidup aman damai lagi.

myohmy · Post time 5-4-2008 02:09 AM

kat vatican ada masjid x?

anak_pejuang · Post time 5-4-2008 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Muntz at 5-4-2008 02:08 AM
Apa nak heran.. zaman Rasulullah SAW dulu pun ada synagogue Yahudi dan gereja Kristian. Siap boleh hidup aman damai lagi.

datang nabi gereja dari banyak jadik skit dan terus takde sebab semua orang anut Islam... tapi WAHABI dari zaman takde gereja nak buat pulak gereja besau mengalahkan masjid nabawi ... apa cite wahabi nih??? makam para sahabat / nabi semua kalau boleh deme nak robohkan... tapi gereja rumah barhala dibinanya pulak!!!!!!!!!!!

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Muntz · Post time 5-4-2008 02:17 AM

Semua org anut Islam ker? Abis tu.. kenapa pak sedara Rasulullah SAW iaitu Abu Talib.. walaupun baik terhadap Rasulullah SAW, tapi dia tak Islam?

Btw, seingat aku, dulu Arab King nie pernah kata... dia cuma akan allow gereja kalau Pope mengakui kerasulan Nabi Muhammad SAW. Jadi adakah skarang Pope telah mengakui kerasulan Nabi Muhammad SAW? Ini sesuatu yg luar biasa...

anak_pejuang · Post time 5-4-2008 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Muntz at 5-4-2008 02:17 AM
Semua org anut Islam ker? Abis tu.. kenapa pak sedara Rasulullah SAW iaitu Abu Talib.. walaupun baik terhadap Rasulullah SAW, tapi dia tak Islam?

Btw, seingat aku, dulu Arab King nie pernah k ...

itu lain... itu zaman mulanya Islam... zaman nabi belum dilantik jadik rasul... zaman permulaan Islam... lepas zaman futuh mekah semua rumah berhala dirobohkan sebab orang semua dah peluk Islam... semua akidah dapat diselamatkan... itulah masa zaman kegemilangan Islam....

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sedondon · Post time 5-4-2008 02:23 AM

Apa nak heran, kat Singapore pun ada banyak tempat beribadat yahudi.........boneka yahudi ler katakan.....

winamp05 · Post time 5-4-2008 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Muntz at 5-4-2008 02:08 AM
Apa nak heran.. zaman Rasulullah SAW dulu pun ada synagogue Yahudi dan gereja Kristian. Siap boleh hidup aman damai lagi.

itu dah tentu, tapi macam dah tak da tempat lain kalu dia nak buat sbelah dengan masjid al-haram. memang idea yang gampang. kalo derang buat gak, aku gi bako gereja tu. peduli hapa aku korang nak kata apa.

anak_pejuang · Post time 5-4-2008 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Muntz at 5-4-2008 02:17 AM
dia cuma akan allow gereja kalau Pope mengakui kerasulan Nabi Muhammad SAW. Jadi adakah skarang Pope telah mengakui kerasulan Nabi Muhammad SAW? Ini sesuatu yg luar biasa

la tardha yahud wal nasarah a'lal dinil Islam...
orang kapir... kalau mengakui nabi tu rasulnya dan Allah tu Tuhan kita... maka dia Islam.. kalau sekadar cakap2 gitu2 jerk... ada muslihat dan penipuannya...

sedondon · Post time 5-4-2008 02:29 AM

umat Islam mudah terpedaya..........

anak_pejuang · Post time 5-4-2008 02:29 AM

Saudi WAHABI mengiktiraf berimannya pope kepada Tuhan dan Rasulullah walaupong deme takde mengucap syahadah dan mengamalkan syariat Islam... mungkin itu yang ingin dinyatakan saudi mujassim...

anak_pejuang · Post time 5-4-2008 02:35 AM

لا ترضى يهود على دين الإسلام

anak_pejuang · Post time 5-4-2008 02:36 AM

(صدق الله العزيز العظيم القائل : ﴿ ولن ترضى عنك اليهود ولا النصارى حتى تتبع ملتهم

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zenslack · Post time 5-4-2008 03:05 AM

berapa mata kekalahan orang Islam ni?

sedondon · Post time 5-4-2008 03:14 AM

Ko pun satu, kalau nak tunjukkan kebodohan diri sendiri tu berpada-pada lah.......

anak_pejuang · Post time 5-4-2008 03:16 AM

Originally posted by zenslack at 5-4-2008 03:05 AM
berapa mata kekalahan orang Islam ni?

apa yang kalahnya tuh??? boleh citekan skit???

DarkBaron · Post time 5-4-2008 03:20 AM

The Saudi royal family must have gotten some really good back channel deals from the Vatican if they really go ahead with this plan.Seeing that there will be a definite backlash from their overwhelmingly muslim majority and with the current state of internal strife that they are experiencing in regards to homegrown fundamentalism and terrorism.I wonder what they got?

DarkBaron · Post time 5-4-2008 03:22 AM

Kalau nak buat pon takda space..the whole place is already used up...unless atas angin lah...

sudahlahko · Post time 5-4-2008 03:29 AM

leeeeh kecoh betul la korang nie......pasal agama jer nak kecoh....geraja tak leh laaa..salib takleh laaa....ada lambang salib pon takleh laa...apa2 jer laaaaaaa...mentality