Calling on Kamunting - ISA

dexa

Sunday September 13, 2009

Calling on Kamunting
BY JUNE H.L. WONG and SHAHANAAZ HABIB

Some have said it is where they experienced the darkest moments of their lives, others, that it encouraged contemplation. What is life like inthe country’s most well-known prison?

FOR almost four decades, the place has struck fear in those facing the Internal Security Act: if you were sent to Kamunting, it could mean years of detention without trial.

Originally intended for imprisoning communist terrorists, in recent times, Kamunting Detention Centre has become a rather romanticised prison of conscience, thanks to the detention of political figures like Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, Lim Kit Siang, Karpal Singh, Dr Syed Husin Ali, Dr Jeffrey Kitingan, Dr Nasir Hashim, Tian Chua, Ezam Mohd Nor, Datuk Zahid Hamidi and, more recently, the Hindraf (Hindu Rights Action Force) leaders and uber blogger Raja Petra Kamaruddin.

The stories told by released detainees have reinforced Kamunting’s reputation as a kind of Alcatraz, Devil’s Island or Guantanamo in our own backyard. Stung by the negative public perception, and at the request of senior editors during a meeting between the Home Ministry’s secretary-general, Datuk Seri Mahmood Adam, and the media, a visit was arranged late last month.


Grim view: The Kamunting Detention Centre’s 230ha are surrounded
by double fences topped with barbed wire. –
Photos by SHAHANAAZ HABIB / The Star

Led by the ministry’s head of corporate communications, Jamilah Taib, a busload of print journalists make the almost four-hour trip from Putrajaya to Taiping, Perak.

There is a sense of guarded anticipation. We realise we are lucky because such a first-hand look is so rare. Yet, we are aware that it will be a carefully managed visit. Right from the start, we are warned that no cameras and mobile phones would be allowed.

We stop in front of Kamunting’s gates, which are flanked by 6m-high double fences topped with barbed wire. Beyond lies 230ha of prison land containing 299 inmates.

Of the lot, only 12, all men, are ISA detainees. (Six of them are Malaysian.) The rest of the prisoners are serving time for other crimes.

Eight of the ISA detainees, including Singapore terrorist Mas Selamat Kastari, are members of the radical militant Jemaah Islamiah (JI) group. The remaining four are being held for forging documents like passports.

The foreigners, who are from Thailand, Pakistan and Bangladesh, are being held under the Emergency (Public Order and Prevention of Crime, or POPOC) Ordinance, 1969.

Since 1973, when the prison was built, it has held 2,706 ISA detainees. The highest number – 1,642 communist terrorists – was recorded between 1973 and 1989.


We can enter this gate only after all the body
and bag searches have been done.

Guarded visits

On hand to greet us are several senior ministry and prison department officers, including Prison commissioner-general Datuk Zulfikli Omar, Prison (Management) commissioner Hassan Sakimon, Prison Affairs director Haji Abd Wahab Haji Kassim, Prison deputy commissioner (Security) Thang Ah Yong and Kamunting Detention Centre commandant Ramli Osman.

Once we step through the first gate into Kamunting and sign in, we have to leave our cameras, mobile phones and even our wallets in lockers. Then, as expected in high security areas like these, we have to go through a bag check and body search before we are allowed through the second gate.

Our first stop is the visitors’ area where detainees meet their families for their once-a-week visits. (For some reason, the place is painted pink; even the tiled stone benches are pink!)

Commandant Ramli explains that detainees are allowed to meet with family members (a maximum of five people per visit) for 45 minutes once a week, or a bit longer if there is a special reason. Most of the visits are on weekends. Friends are allowed (as one of the five) if a family member brings them in.

Those coming from, say, Sabah or Sarawak, or who are unable to make weekly visits, are allowed extra time with their detained family member.

There are two types of meetings. For new detainees, family visits take place in an area where they are separated by a glass partition, and communication is via an intercom. Those who have cleared two months of detention are allowed to meet without any barrier and can even touch each other.

As expected, guards are present throughout both types of visits, watching and listening. This means there is little privacy for the detainee (his incoming and outgoing mail, too, is read) but the authorities say this is necessary for security reasons.

Ramli says the camp authorities make sure that detainees know and get their rights.

“They can see their family members once a week, they are allowed to meet with their lawyer, they can appeal against their detention, they can file complaints, they can write and receive a letter once a week, they have the right to seek medical treatment, and they are allowed a phone call to their family weekly,” he says.

As we make our way into the separate ISA detention area, we are shown the clinic and introduced to the doctors who work full-time there. One of them, Dr Michael Wong, was formerly an army doctor who left private practice to take up the post in May last year.


Since photography is not allowed inside the prison,
we persuaded former ISA detainee Tian Chua to share
the sketches he made while he was at Kamunting:
These are his possessions in the dorm.

Surreal juxtaposition

As for the detention camp area, to get inside, we have to get past another two of those massive gates with more of that 6m-high perimeter fencing.

Interestingly, on one of the gates is a huge sign warning against sodomy, describing it as a condemned act that should be reported to the authorities immediately. A prison officer tells us this is a standard warning in Malaysian prisons and that we should not read more into it.

We are escorted down a path past a large building from which we can hear banging sounds and loud voices. That’s the kitchen, where the detainees’ meals are prepared, we’re told.

As we head towards a section where five or six separate dormitories are located, it feels a little surreal. In front of us is the pleasant sight of the forested Kinta hills and all around us, open, quiet space. If not for the barbed wire fencing, we could very well be visiting a wellness farm!

We are shepherded towards the last dorm, which is empty. The 12 detainees were nowhere to be seen – it’s evident that there is no chance of us bumping into them!

Inside the dorm, which can house 10 people, are the standard facilities that every ISA detainee is given: bed frame, mattress (very thin but clean), bedsheet, single pillow, pillow case, thick grey blanket, towel, soap (brown, non-perfumed), brandless tooth brush and tooth paste, and a set of clothes.

A small “luxury” is the attached bathrooms – certainly not the norm for prisons. There are four toilets with doors and a common shower area.

The floors are bare cement and the walls are painted a greyish white. There are three ceiling fans, a long table with benches, a wooden ledge to store things above each bed and a wall clock.

There are plenty of windows with wire mesh painted white, but they are very dusty. You can’t see outside or look in through them; the doors, which have a huge padlock, are left open throughout the day until 7pm, when detainees have to be inside.

Comfort-wise, one could do worse – but the place is definitely depressing.

While each dorm can accommodate up to 10, normally there are only six or seven people. It is not uncommon for some dorms to have only one detainee, especially if the person is a new arrival.

Terrorist Mas Selamat, for instance, shares the dorm only with his JI buddy Abdul Matin Anon Rahmat. And for security reasons, they are not allowed to mix with the other 10 ISA detainees.

The detainees follow a strict routine that begins with rising at 7am, followed by breakfast. Meals are brought to the dorm. They then attend classes according to their religious beliefs, complete assigned chores, have “play time” – badminton or football – and can move around until 7pm.

During our visit, however, the ISA detainees are confined to their dorms behind locked doors. They are very quiet, and the only visible sign that they are inside are their slippers left outside.


The last photo the media was allowed to take before the tour.
The board showing the number of inmates and ISA detainees
indicates that 10 of the detainees are separated from the remaining
two, presumably, JI members Mas Selamat Kastari and Abdul Matin Anon Rahmat.

It’s a prison, not a resort

During the press conference after the tour, Ramli says each detainee costs the Government RM35 each day to house, clothe and feed.

To prove that the prisoners are not fed just bread and water, he shows us weekly menus, which are rotated. Dishes include tom yam, chicken and fish cooked in soy sauce; fruits are served daily.

Ramli says detainees are given more than enough to eat, and this includes rice, fish, chicken, meat and vegetables. “A person can get fat from eating the food here,” he quips.

He also says detainees are allowed to buy extra items from the canteen, such as mee goreng, for up to RM10 a week, and dry food stuff like sugar and milk costing about RM60 a month.

On detainees who go on hunger strikes as a protest against their detention, Prison deputy commissioner Thang says, contrary to public perception, fasts generally lasted for short periods of time only, and the detainees only refused to eat what was served at meal times.

“They still bought food from the canteen to eat,” he says, adding that no Kamunting detainee has ever died from a hunger strike or was hospitalised for it.

Understandably, not all accounts of Kamunting are flattering, especially if they come from the detainees. But, as a prison officer retorts to a comment that the place is bleak and depressing, “This is a prison after all, not a resort!”


The freedom of the hills seems tantalisingly close beyond the barbed wire.

Pain of isolation

Batu MP and PKR strategic director Tian Chua spent two years and two months at Kamunting (2001/2002).

For him, the 60-day interrogation period by the police prior to being sent there was the hardest part. But even so, he describes detention under the ISA as being worse than a prison sentence.

“When you are sentenced, you know for how long. Even if it’s 10 years, you can be psychologically prepared for it. But with the ISA, you don’t know for how long because the authorities can keep extending the detention indefinitely. That uncertainty is the most difficult part,” he explains when we speak to him over the phone after our tour.

While Chua (whose full name is Chua Tian Chang) agrees that the meals were decent and detainees could move in and out of the confines of their dorms, he says the isolation from society was tough to deal with.

He says during his two years in Kamunting, he was not allowed to meet other groups of detainees.

“They manage it like an isolation camp. I was placed with the Reformasi group but we were kept separate from detainees from groups with other political or ideological beliefs, like the (local militant group) KMM, the (Filipino) Moro Liberation Front, JI.”

While detainees got mainstream newspapers to read, Chua says they were full of holes, as sections and articles, particularly news on the Opposition, were cut out first.

Chua spent some time during his detention painting, which he says was a struggle to do.

“They were initially against it; they said I might swallow the paint.”

That reaction would have been a result of the prison authorities’ role and responsibilities, which they deem are very clearly spelt out: keep detainees safe and rehabilitate them.

“We do the best that we can,” says Ramli.

The media trip does not satisfy all our curiosity or answer all our questions – for one thing, we are not allowed to speak to any of the detainees and we are shown only a small part of the grounds – but it is a first tentative step towards shedding some light on a place that the public has been kept in the dark about for a very long time.

Time served

WHEN an ISA detainee is first taken to the Kamunting Detention Centre, he can appeal within 14 days, after which an Advisory Board will meet within three months to hear his appeal. During this meeting, the detainee’s lawyer can also be present.

Kamunting commandant Ramli Osman explains that the panel will subsequently review cases every six months.

Most detainees go into Kamunting under Section 8(1) of the Internal Security Act, whereby the Home Minister issues the order for the person be detained for up to two years to prevent him (or her) from acting in a manner “prejudicial to the security of the country, the maintenance of essential services or of economic life”.

After two years, the minister is allowed under Section 8(7) to extend the detention period further.

Of the 12 detainees currently in Kamunting, six (including Singaporean Jemaah Islamiah, or JI, terrorist Mas Selamat Kastari) have been there for less than two years, three (JI suspects) have been held between two and four years, and another three (also JI suspects) have been detained for over six years.

The longest an ISA detainee has been held in Kamunting was during the communist years: a suspected communist terrorist was detained for 16 years before being released!

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memang banyak kita baca tentang ISA..ada yang kata kejam.. ada yang kata.. patut ada...
kamunting ni ala ala guantanamo juga...  detained tanpa appear in court - --

dexa

Sunday September 13, 2009
ISA 101

THERE are three phases during an ISA detention.

Phase one covers the first two months and focuses on building discipline. During this period, the detainee is not allowed to watch TV or mix with other detainees.

After two months, the detainee “graduates” to phase two, which focuses on group activities such as religious classes, counselling, and building up inner resilience and spirituality.

This lasts for six months and during this time the detainee is allowed to mix with others in the camp.

[img]http://thestar.com.my/archives/2009/9/13/lifefocus/sm_pg05petra.jpg]/img]
Blogger Raja Petra Kamaruddin’s claim that he had been kept
in solitary confinement is mistaken, say Kamunting prison authorities.– AFP file photo

Phase three is about skills training. This phase could go on indefinitely until the detainee is released.

Kamunting Detention Centre commandant Ramli Osman stresses that the detainees are not subjected to any punishment or abuse.

“They are merely being kept here to prevent them from carrying out activities that could jeopardise the country’s security.

“They have far greater freedom than prisoners.

“Our approach is humane. Our facility is to help and rehabilitate them,” he says.

Ramli denies that the camp would deliberately keep some detainees in solitary confinement.

Asked about blogger Raja Petra Kamaruddin’s case, he says it is not true that the blogger was kept in solitary confinement, as he has claimed in his blog.

“When he was brought in, he came in alone and, as a newcomer, he was put under phase one, which means that for two months he was not allowed to mix with others,” Ramli says.

“But because he was in the dorm alone, he felt isolated and lonely and wrongly thought he was being kept in solitary confinement,” he explains.

Raja Petra was detained twice under the ISA. The first time was in 2001 when he was held with a group of Reformasi supporters; he was released 52 days later.

His second detention was on Sept 12, 2008, when he was taken in for purportedly insulting Islam.

He was released on Nov 7, so he was still in phase one.

Ramli also refutes Hindraf legal adviser P. Uthayakumar’s claim that he was denied medical treatment, which endangered his life, the grounds used in his habeas corpus application earlier in the year seeking his release.

Ramli says it was Uthayakumar who refused medical help.

In one incident, he says, Uthayakumar told the guard in the middle of the night that he was in pain and insisted on seeing the prison director.

The officer-in-charge offered to send him to the in-house doctor or the government hospital but Uthayakumar refused to go, says Ramli.

“During the period he was detained, we made 18 appointments for him at the Taiping Hospital but he refused to go,” he adds.

Uthayakumar was released from detention on May 9. He will face a sedition trial on Sept 28.

amazed

Pusat Tahanan Kamunting dikekalkan


PUTRAJAYA: Kerajaan akan mengekalkan Pusat Tahanan Kamunting kerana ia adalah pangkalan penting bagi memerangi sebarang ancaman terhadap keselamatan negara, kata Menteri Dalam Negeri, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein.

"Kamunting ada di situ ada bersebab kerana ia adalah bagi melindungi sebarang ancaman terhadap keselamatan. Mereka (tahanan yang ada) adalah ancaman kepada keselamatan," katanya kepada pemberita selepas majlis penyerahan surat ucapan tahniah dan surat kelulusan penganugerahan taraf warganegara Malaysia sempena sambutan Hari Malaysia di sini.

Beliau ditanya sama adda kerajaan bercadang mengosongkan kemudahan di Kamunting.


Hishammuddin berkata, beliau akan melakukan apa saja yang dibenarkan mengikut undang-undang bagi melindungi rakyat Malaysia daripada sebarang ancaman ke atas keselamatan mereka.

"Jika ada orang yang menjadi ancaman kepada keselamatan, saya akan penuhkan sehingga ke pinggir Kamunting.

"Ia adalah persoalan mengenai prinsip dan keselamatan," katanya.

Berhubung tahanan rakyat asing, Hishammuddin berkata ada sebab beliau tidak mendedahkan kenapa tahanan asing tidak dihantar ke negara mereka. - Bernama




nampaknyer... depa masih tanak tutup kamunting, ekkkk....

sayapghaib

3# amazed

Sebab kalau tutup pun depa tau ia tidak membawa apa-apa keuntungan atau penambahan sokongan kepada mereka.Rakyat tidak menyokong depa bukan kerana ISA tapi kerana masalah lain.Pemimpin pembangkang membantah ISA bagi menamatkan ancaman akta itu terhadap mereka.Mungkin kalau akta itu dihapuskan dan Kamunting ditutup mereka lebih bebas dalam menentukan agenda mereka.Sepatutnya mereka menjalankan tugas yg diamanahkan dengan lebih baik,bukan asyik kempen bab menghapuskan ISA sebab mereka wakil kpd rakyat yg memilih mereka dan bukan wakil kepada tahanan ISA.Buatlah kempen menurnkan harga tol ke,cukai ke,harga barang ke.Kempen ISA tu untuk kepentingan sendiri bukan untuk kepentingan rakyat secara amnya.Lama-lama semua parti rakyat benci.Semua untuk perut sendiri.

Acong

ISA tu komunis.............

mantera

3# amazed

Pemimpin pembangkang membantah ISA bagi menamatkan ancaman akta itu terhadap mereka.

Kempen ISA tu untuk kepentingan sendiri bukan untuk kepentingan rakyat secara amnya.
sayapghaib Post at 17-9-2009 10:58

sokong sebahagian daripada 2 ayat ni..

ada pihak2 tertentu yg bijak memanipulasi fikiran orang2 tertentu & memanipulasi isu2 tertentu.. sedangkan secara separa logiknya, peratusan kemungkinan bagi rakyat biasa utk ditahan dibawah ISA/OSA amat la rendah.. aku bukan la sokong ISA/OSA ni, tapi amat la rasa kesian kat rakyat biasa yg telah termanipulasi utk sama2 buat demo hapuskan ISA, dan seterusnya pulak peratusan yg memungkinkan mereka utk ditahan under ISA mencanak2 naik.. sedangkan orang yg memanipulasi tu? terlepas..

tapi agak kurang setuju kalau encik highlightkan 'pihak pembangkang' tu saja.. sebab setakat ni memang majoriti yg ditahan bawah ISA adalah dari pihak pembangkang sahaja.. cuba kalau ada orang dari parti pemerintah ataupun yg sedang memerintah ditahan bawah ISA - adakah kita masih akan beri pendapat yg sama? mungkin tidak..

pacino

stop buruk2 kn ISA la weyhh..korang ne tau paper pasal ISA..yg korang (yg anti sgt ISA) tau,ISA tu tompek org tak bersalah kene sumbat kn..pastu korang pggil ngn tah mane agensi luar,gembar gembur kn pasal tempat ni..per yg korang tau?x hbs2 nk mansuh ISA..aku duduk depan ISA,so aku tau la aper yg jadi..time korang(yg anti sgt ISA) buat rusuhan,sume jln jem..so,korang nk slahkn FRU?dh mmg tugas dier la sial..n aku tadika n skola sblh dgn ISA..so aku lg mengetahui dari korang yg melabelkan diri korang anti ISA..aku x skong UMNO,n aku x skong anti ISA..aku skong aper yg aku rasa betul..n tindakkan korang ni mmg x betul..totaly x betul..sok negara dah kene jual,time tu,pergi la mintak kt negara yg support korang..shit..

pacino

bawak bukti sahih korang kalo nk berdebat pasal ISA..pergi sendiri tgk..bkn copy paste dari internet or what ever..jerit2 terkangkang kt dataran merdeka buat haper..ni ker cara Islam?ni ker yg nabi ajar kiter?aku pn islam,aku pn tahu hukum hakam..x perlu jadi extremis kot

amazed

8# pacino


lorrrrrrr  baguih ler ko tahu hukum hakam...... hah!!! pe kata  pacino ler bawak ayat quran hadis  pasal  bley  buat ISA - hukum tanpa bicara tu..... nak gak  kita sumer belajar....  bukan tulis mcm baguih ajer kat post merendah2kan worang yg tak setuju ngan ISA.......  ekkkkkkkkkk,  bley???  hah!!

pacino

8# pacino  


lorrrrrrr  baguih ler ko tahu hukum hakam...... hah!!! pe kata  pacino ler bawak ayat quran hadis  pasal  bley  buat ISA - hukum tanpa bicara tu..... nak gak  kita sumer belajar....  ...
amazed Post at 21-9-2009 08:42

nampaknye mod x brape ske ngn tulisan pacino..myb sbb pacino x brape setuju ngn idea encik mod kot..so pacino mtk maaf la kt cik mod (sbb cik mod terlalu senior dlm forum ni berbanding pacino) sbb pacino ni tau hukum hakam tp x sehebat cik mod..pacino cume x brape setuju ngn idea mansuhkn ISA tu..bkn pacino ini pro kerajaan yer..n bkn juga anti kerajaan..mmg x bagus hukum tnpa bicara...ttp ini sbg salah satu cara mencegah dari negara menjadi spt negara2 sblh..cik mod setuju ker kalo Malaysia yg kita syg ini (100% pacino syg negara nya) jd spt Thailand misalannya?3 thn kebelakangan ini,Thailand terbahagi kpd pro n contra kerajaan,cik mod suke itu mcm eh?kita semua tahu,dunia tahu bahawasanya Thai satunya negara yg x kene jajah semasa era perang dunia ( 1 & 2 - kalo silap,betul kn) tp ape jd skrg? bom sana,bom sini,bom sinun..negara sblh kita yg 1 lg ni pn x kurang hebatnya,merdeka shj awl,tp mcm2 berlaku..antara yg boleh pacino senaraikan - rasuah,bom,anti kerajaaan.ni yg cik mod bangga kan?

untuk pengetahuan cik mod yg bijaksana,negara kita ini bkn sebesar pulau singapura yg mudah di jaga yer..yg senang di tadbir urus rakyat2 jelatanya..singapura sendiri pn nk ujudkn akta tersebut agar rakyat nya taat kepada negara (maafkan sy kalo silap fakta)

1 lg menjadi persoalan pacino lah..kenapa semasa Anwar Ibrahim msuk ISA dlu tidak berlaku mcm ni? (maafkan kalo silap fakta).Mansuhkan ISA bermula sejak 98 (yakni smasa era kejatuhan Anwar).
utk cik mod yg lebih senior dn lama di dlm forum ni,sy pacino memohon maaf bkn kerana sy x skong cdgn ini ttp kerana ayt sy yg mungkin berbunyi kasar..biasa lah,budak baru nk belajar2 berforum..org main forum,dier pn nk main forum..pastu mulut agak langsi..sekian bg menjawab cik mod

amazed

nampaknye mod x brape ske ngn tulisan pacino..myb sbb pacino x brape setuju ngn idea encik mod kot..so pacino mtk maaf la kt cik mod (sbb cik mod terlalu senior dlm forum ni berbanding pacino) sbb pacino ni tau hukum hakam tp x sehebat cik mod..
pacino Post at 21-9-2009 13:11

LMFAO @  quote....    tee hee  pacino  wtf  yg ko ratapkan part yg aku BOLD kan tu pacino weyyyyy....  LMFAO..    


aku  mintak ko bawak kan ajer ayat quran yg kata bley buat hukuman tanpa trial... tu ajer... yg ko ratap benda2 tu pekejadanya  pacino ekkkkkkkkkkk..... tee hee

amazed

1 lg menjadi persoalan pacino lah..kenapa semasa Anwar Ibrahim msuk ISA dlu tidak berlaku mcm ni? (maafkan kalo silap fakta).Mansuhkan ISA bermula sejak 98 (yakni smasa era kejatuhan Anwar).

utk cik mod yg lebih senior dn lama di dlm forum ni,sy pacino memohon maaf bkn kerana sy x skong cdgn ini ttp kerana ayt sy yg mungkin berbunyi kasar..biasa lah,budak baru nk belajar2 berforum..org main forum,dier pn nk main forum..pastu mulut agak langsi..sekian bg menjawab cik mod  pacino Post at 21-9-2009 13:11

ROFLMFAO.... lorrrr  whogivetheshit kenapa masa anwar masuk ISA dulu tak berlaku ker  berlaku ker mcm ni.......kalu ITU JADIK persoalan pada ko la,  ko kena tanya benda2 ni kat KDNHEN   mungkin si hisham bley selesai kan persoalan ko, ekkkkk..... bley..???   aku bukannyer persoalkan benda2 tu.....  aku coma nak ko bagi ajer ler  tentang hukum hakam yg ko cakap tu....  

LOL@ underline.....  tee hee.... kira nak try jadik sarkastik  tapi  zilch pacino... sbb aku tak enterten sarkastik stuff ekkkk....

EJ

7# + #8 + #10 pacino

rasa terpanggil ntuk reply 3 posts ni ..

oke .. 1st sekali, kita cuba ulas pasal anwar ibrahim ek .. selepas peristiwa mei 1969 & sebelum kes anwar ibrahim, boleh tak namakan individu2 ataupun kes2 yg menyebabkan individu2 tu ditahan under ISA? aku seriously tak tau pasal ni

kenapa kita nak highlightkan pasal anwar ibrahim dalam hal ni? mungkin lepas kes anwar (1998), baru aa ISA digunakan secara .. kita boleh katakan 'agak banyak' jugak yg ditahan, kan ..

bila sebut pasal ISA - 1st sekali yg kita dapa bayangkan ialah ancaman terhadap negara .. right? tapi pernah tak kita terfikir - ancaman yg bagaimana?

flaming? menyebabkan huru hara? ataupun yg macam ko kata tadi 'negara tergadai' - tapi tergadai yg bagaimana & dengan cara apa?

kalau aa (sebagai contoh) ada individu2 berbangsa cina yg memulakan pergaduhan dengan individu2 berbangsa india .. dan seterusnya pergaduhan tu mempengaruhi individu2 lain dari bangsa masing2 & mereka pun join sekaki ntuk bergaduh .. makin lama, makin besar, makin bahaya, sampai malaysia pun macam dah nak berperang - ITU baru ancaman kepada negara ..

& bila kita sebut ancaman, sebenarnya ada 2 jenis kan? 1 - yg kita nampak - contohnya macam yg ko kata tadi perhimpunan 'haram' .. jenis yg ke2 - yg kita tak sedar & tak nampak - yg tu yg lebih bahaya ..

& lagi satu .. kat sini kita boleh nampak ada sesuatu yg tak kena .. bila ISA hanya digunakan terhadap pihak pembangkang/orang ramai yg merusuh .. tapi pernahkah ISA digunakan terhadap orang2 UMNO? MIC? MCA? pernah?

jangan kata orang2 dari BN & parti komponennya tak pernah buat something yg mengancam keselamatan negara!

sebab tu aa aku kata .. kita hanya nampak ancaman yg nyata & ketara .. sedangkan ancaman yg halus & diselindungkan tu? kenapa kita hanya nampak kesalahan2 & ancaman2 daripada pihak pembangkang & orang ramai sahaja? sedangkan apa yg terjadi disebalik nama 'pemerintah' tu - kita tak tau, kan?

orang yg pertahankan ISA tak semestinya pro kerajaan & camtu jugak sebaliknya .. kita pertahankan hak & keadilan .. kat sini kita boleh nampak bagaimana 'berat sebelah' & 'menggunakan ISA demi kepentingan sendiri' terjadi .. apa yg dilaungkan parti pembangkang tak semestinya salah & apa yg ditegaskan oleh parti pemerintah tak semestinya betul ..

& apa yg lebih malang lagi kalau kita sendiri yg menolak kebenaran & keadilan hanya kerana ada pihak yg menjatuhkan kesalahan ke atas orang lain, semata2 ingin menutup pekung sendiri ..

cuba fikirkan ..

mohdmus

ISA MESTI DIKEKALKAN DEMI KESELAMATAN NEGARA....TAPI JANGAN ADA PEGAWAI KERAJAAN MENYALAH GUNAKAN KUASANYA UNTUK MENAHAN SESIAPA DENGAN SESUKA HATI UNTUK KEPENTINGKAN PERIBADINYA...JIKA LAU ADA PEGAWAINYA YANG MELAKUKANNYA, MINTA DIA DITAHAN UNDER ISA JUGA, SUPAYA DIA TAHU APA ERTI SEBENARNYA ISA....

me_mitoss

ISA MESTI DIKEKALKAN DEMI KESELAMATAN NEGARA....TAPI JANGAN ADA PEGAWAI KERAJAAN MENYALAH GUNAKAN KUASANYA UNTUK MENAHAN SESIAPA DENGAN SESUKA HATI UNTUK KEPENTINGKAN PERIBADINYA...JIKA LAU ADA PEGAWA ...
mohdmus Post at 29-9-2009 13:08

saya sokong..tetiap negara pn ada cam ISA nie..nie utk keselamatan negara kite..tp dgn 1 syarat,jgn menyalah gunakan ISA dan undang2 yg lainnye...
br la negara maju dan aman..

dexa

14# mohdmus

ah... boleh bagi opinion tu... tapi mohdmus tak perlu tulis semua caps -
kadang2 susah nak baca bila semua caps --

ada ramai yang menyokong ISA...tapi lagi ramai  yang mahu ISA dimansuhkan -
atas reason yang banyak dah diutarakan.. -

sayapghaib

Kena bawa ke Parlimen lah.Kalau undian berjaya kearah penghapusan ISA  rakyat tak ada masalah.Tak pun barisan pembangkang boleh bubarkan ISA bila diorang berjaya memenangi pilihanraya akan datang.

SangSaka

Komen yang saya buat di tempat lain... dibawa kemari...


Pertama, ISA bukan sahaja digunakan kepada ahli politik pembangkang. Walaupun 'ramai' ahli politik pembangkang yang pernah merasai, sejarah penggunaan ISA pernah digunakan kepada ramai pemimpin kerajaan hatta seorang yang berjawatan Timbalan Menteri ketikaitu – Dato’ Abdullah Ahmad – Abdullah Kok Lanas.

Lebih ramai juga pemimpin pembangkang yang belum pun pernah dikenakan ISA – Nik Aziz, Haji Hadi Awang. Tan Siew Gaw juga belum pernah dikenakan ISA. Ramai juga pemimpin (pembangkang lazimnya) yang sengaja memilih untuk dikenakan ISA yang disifatkan oleh mereka sendiri sebagai Universiti Kedua. Jika mereka adalah ‘graduan’ ISA, nilai atau ‘makam’ mereka di kalangan pengikut mereka lebih tinggi nilainya. Mereka tidak dianggap hebat dan berpengaruh, kecuali, pernah ditahan dibawah ISA. Dan mereka boleh menulis cerita dan buku, menceritakan pengalaman mereka di ‘soal siat’ oleh pegawai/anggota SB semasa dalam tahanan. Shaari Shuib melakukan ini. Begituj uga dengan Syed Husin. Tidak terkecuali Zabidi, bekas pemimpin Al Arqam.

Kedua, ancaman politik dan keselamatan dalam negara sentiasa berubah-ubah. Benar, ISAdibuat pada tahun 1960 digunakan untuk mengekang ancaman pengganas komunis ataupara simpati kepada Komunis. Konteks ini mungkin sesuai untuk tahun-tahun1960an-1970an hingga ke awal 1980an. Operasi Lalang mengesahkan ini. Bahkan, pada Peristiwa Kampung Rawa di Pulau Pinang pada awal 1998, Anwar Ibrahim yang ketika itu masih Timbalan Perdana Menteri mengakui bahawa ISA masih perlu untukmengekang ancaman pergaduhan antara kaum di Malaysia. Jangan lupa insidenKampung Medan. Jangan lupa beberapa insiden di beberapa daerah yang tidak didedahkan di dalam media massa demi menjaga keharmonian kaum.

Hariini, selepas 49 tahun ianya diwujudkan, ancaman pengganas dan keganasan tidak datang dalam bentuk perjuangan komunis sahaja. Perjuangan perkauman, agama danbudaya (raja dalam konteks disini) juga boleh mendapatkan sifat pengganasseterusnya ancaman kepada kestabilan dan keharmonian negara. Akan ada sahaja manusia yang sentiasa menggunakan tiga elemen di atas untuk keperluan politik mereka. Hari ini, sentimen ini berlaku setiap hari – di dalam blog, ceramah mahupun akhbar-akhbar. Benar, mereka bukan pengganas. Tetapi mereka menghasut untuk orang menjadi ganas. Benar, kita ada Akta Hasutan. Mereka cuba menjuarai kaum mereka dengan 1001 macam komen yang dengan sengaja melakukannya.

Tetapi sejauh mana keberkesanan Akta Hasutan atau akta-akta berkaitan bilamana kita melihat perbicaraan demi perbicaraan ditangguhkan berkali-kali atas 1001 macam alasan teknikal sementara seseorang tertuduh itu masih bebas menghasut sehingga dia dijatuhkan hukuman? Hari ini kita ada barisan 1001 kes saman, yang masih belum diselesaikan, selain beberapa kes dakwaan hasutan. Begitu juga kes menghina Paduka Seri Sultan Perak  - sesuatu yang tidak pernah berlaku sebelum zaman internet ini.

Ketiga, lebih ramai yang ditahan di dalam ISA bukan ahli politik. Mereka yang disyaki pengganas, mereka yang cuba memisahkan sebuah negeri dalam negara ini, pemalsuan wang, pemalsuan pasport, pejuang pemisah, pelampau agama, pelampau kaum. Ada juga perisik negara asing atau orang yang bersimpati perisik ini. Dansenarai ini cukup panjang. Ada ahli politik. Ada orang kampung. Ada pegawai kanan kerajaan. Ada pensyarah. Ada juga pegawai PDRM dan ATM sendiri yang pernah ditahan di bawah ISA.

Tetapi mereka yang ditahan seringkali mendakwa bahawa ianya adalah sebab politik. Dato’ Abdullah Kok Lanas juga mendakwa demikian. Bekas S/U Politik Timbalan Perdana Menteri pada awal 1980an (Dr. Soddiq) yang ditahan kerana bersongkol dengan pihak perisikan Soviet Union ketika itu, juga mendakwa demikian.

Keempat, kita perlu memahami bahawa kuasa Menteri Dalam Negeri bagi menahan mana-mana orang untuk selama dua (2) tahun adalah selepas proses siasatan dan syor, yangdi buat oleh PDRM. Sebelum itu, seseorang Menteri Dalam Negeri tidak terbabit samasekali dalam sebarang usaha penyiasatan atau boleh mengarahkan mana-mana orang untuk ditahan dibawah ISA – kecuali selepas siasatan dan penahanan pertama yang dibuat oleh pihak PDRM. Ia adalah fungsi dan peranan PDRM, bukan Menteri, bukan Perdana Menteri. Dalam akta adalah jelas memperanankan fungsi anggota atau pegawai Cawangan Khas sehingga ke peringkat Menteri. Menteri hanya menerima syor dari Lembaga Penasihat, bukan sebaliknya. Dan akta ini juga memberikan kuasa kepada ATM untuk melaksanakan tangkapan di bawah ISA.

Sepertimana Perlembagaan Persekutuan yang telah dipinda sebanyak 58 kali, ISA juga telah dipinda berkali-kali. Dan ia boleh dipinda sekali lagi, bahkan berkali-kali. Banyak negara di dunia ini, termasuk di Singapura di mana pemerintahnya adalah abang kandung kepada DAP juga masih mengekalkan bahkan mengetatkan lagi mulut dan tangan penentang politik mereka. Penulisan blog yang mengkritik kerajaan masih tidak dibenarkan samasekali di Singapura dan mereka yang melakukannya, terpaksa bertempiaran lari ke luar negara termasuk seorang yang berbangsa melayu yang terpaksa lari ke Australia.


Dalam erti maksud lain, ISA boleh dipinda sekiranya perlu, tetapi tidak menghapuskannya,sekurang-kurangnya buat masa ini dan beberapa waktu yang mendatang.


Kelima,banyak fakta-fakta kes ISA sendiri yang jarang dihebahkan kepada umum atas soal keselamatan. Mungkin ini antara punca mengapa ada yang berpandangan bahawa ianya adalah kejam dan bertujuan politik. Dalam banyak siasatan, sumber tidak mungkin boleh didedahkan sepertimana yang pernah diungkapkan oleh Dato’ Ramli,bekas Pengarah JSJK, ia boleh menyebabkan sumber berada di dalam ‘clear and present danger’.

Dan,apa yang berlaku disekeliling kita pada hari ini, waktu ini dan saat ini jelas menggambarkan bahawa ISA bukan sahaja masih relevan, tetapi masih sangat diperlukan – sekurang-kurangnya bagi mencegah sebarang ancaman yang timbul.

Ungkapan yang sama diucapkan oleh DS Anwar Ibrahim semasa beliau menyelesaikan isu kuil Hindu dan masjid Kampung Rawa di Pulau Pinang pada 1998.

senjakala

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aku  mintak ko bawak kan ajer ayat quran yg kata bley buat hukuman ...
amazed Post at 21-9-2009 15:51

rilek ar cik mod...
aku setuju dgn ape pacino ckp tu..x perlu la cik mod nk tunjuk alim nk ckp pasal agama ape semua tu...