Israel's Secret Weapon

MENJ

part 1:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1665.shtml


part 2:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1667.shtml

Mordechai Vanunu is being held in an Israeli prison for exposing the fact that Israel possess nuclear weapons. Strangely, the fact that Israel has WMDs (which was the pretext for America to invade Iraq) doesn't seem to bother the Americans.

- MENJ

DARSITA

Israel has a very powerful army built up with American tax dollars.

MENJ

Originally posted by DARSITA at 2003-7-4 06:30 AM:
Israel has a very powerful army built up with American tax dollars.

Cuba anda buat search dalam Google atau mana-mana search engine dengan "Mordechai Vanunu" dan bacalah kes beliau. Tentu anda akan sedar tentang beberapa perkara baru mengenai Israil.

Wassalam.

- MENJ

Debmey

Originally posted by DARSITA at 2003-7-4 06:30 AM:
Israel has a very powerful army built up with American tax dollars.

not true. Israel only gets US$1b every year, much lesser than what Egypt gets.

bErtEnEt

oi debmey..mana ko dapat data tuh....dari Bush(Weapon of mass Deception) ker?

ni data yang sebenornya

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

bacalah sikit woi....jangan nak duk mengarut

amorist

You really should read what's in that link, SFE.
http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

In case you are too lazy or too scared of facing the truth, here's part of it:

Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees.

In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign- aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes

For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)

Debmey

Loan guarantees are not handouts.

MENJ

Originally posted by Debmey at 2003-7-11 12:11 PM:
Loan guarantees are not handouts.

3 billion American dollars given on a silver platter to fascist state Israel by Washington is a handout.

- MENJ

How about you guys donating your hard earned money to fund some stupid JHAAAKKKK program???  

Uday and Qusay - martyrs in a "jihad" according to their ****** Dad??
Yeah...yeah....yeah.....feed their barbequed carcass to the dogs!!!

sonny~~

Vanunu released after 18 years
Staff and agencies
Wednesday April 21, 2004
The Guardian

Mordechai Vanunu walked free from prison today after spending 18 years in jail for revealing secrets that exposed Israel as one of the world's top nuclear powers and said he was "proud and happy" at his actions.

In a defiant address outside prison, the nuclear whistleblower said his treatment inside, which included 12 years in solitary confinement, had been "cruel and barbaric" but insisted that the security services "did not break me".

He said that he wished Israel no harm and that he had "no more secrets" to tell. He planned, he said, to move to the US to get married and study and teach history.

"I am now ready to start my life," he said.

But he also called for Israel's nuclear reactor to be inspected and railed against the "secret cooperation" between Israel and western countries such as the US, Britain, Germany and Canada.

Flashing victory signs, Mr Vanunu walked into the courtyard of the Shikma prison in Ashkelon to be met by loud cheers from around 200 supporters, while a smaller group of counter-demonstrators booed.

Surrounded by dozens of journalists and flanked by two of his brothers, he held an impromptu press conference, but refused to answer questions in Hebrew because of the suffering he said he sustained at the hands of the state of Israel.

"I am proud and happy to do what I did," Mr Vanunu said.

He said that Israel did not need nuclear weapons as there were no other countries in the Middle East that had any, and that there was no need for a Jewish state.

"Jewish people should solve its problems with the Palestinians," he said.

Mr Vanunu said Israel's Mossad spy agency and the Shin Bet security services tried to rob him of his sanity by keeping him in solitary confinement.

"You didn't succeed to break me, you didn't succeed to make me crazy," he said.

Asked if he was a hero, he said: "All those who are standing behind me, supporting me ... all are heroes ... I am a symbol of the will of freedom ... you cannot break the human spirit."

Supporters cheered him while opponents called him a traitor and argued loudly over whether he should have been imprisoned for life or sentenced to death.

"He won't get out of here alive," opponents screamed before his release and as Mr Vanunu's adopted US parents, Nick and Mary Eoloff, arrived at the prison.

The anti-nuclear activists, meanwhile, held flowers and carried "Thank you Mordechai Vanunu" signs. One man blew into a trumpet as a group of demonstrators held up a sheet declaring "Democracy, Human Rights and Mordechai Vanunu".

In the short term, Mr Vanunu, who converted to Christianity in the 1980s, said he planned to go to church.

Mr Vanunu leaked details and pictures of Israel's alleged nuclear weapons program to the Sunday Times in 1986. Based on his account, experts said at the time that Israel had the world's sixth-largest stockpile of nuclear weapons.

The revelations undercut Israel's long-standing policy of neither confirming nor denying its nuclear capability.

Israel has imposed travel restrictions and other constraints on Mr Vanunu, a former technician at Israel's Dimona reactor, citing concern that he would reveal more classified information.

It was thought that Israeli officials will not allow Mr Vanunu to leave the country for at least a year. He has been barred from discussing his work at the nuclear reactor and has been given a map of Israel marking the areas off-limits to him, the Israeli defence ministry said.

Israel's TV's Channel Two reported yesterday that Israeli officials fear that Mr Vanunu will release further information about the reactor, including details about data Israel received from convicted US spy Jonathan Pollard.

They also fear he will make public the names of Israeli companies that do business with the reactor.

The country's justice minister, Tommy Lapid, said Mr Vanunu has not hidden a desire to do further damage to Israel and release more state secrets.

"He's hell-bent to do as much harm as he can ... we will keep an eye on him, we will watch him. We have allowed him practically every movement but we want to know where he is and we want to know to whom he may or may not divulge state secrets," he said.

Defending the restrictions imposed on Mr Vanunu, Israeli opposition leader Shimon Peres, who spearheaded Israel's nuclear program in the 1950s and 1960s, said yesterday that "Vanunu violated norms and betrayed his country".

Whatever his ultimate plans, Mr Vanunu is expected to live in the short-term in a luxury apartment complex in Jaffa, an old seaport and now part of Tel Aviv. His family have said they are concerned about his safety.

Earlier today the chief warden of the prison, Yossi Migdash, told Israel Radio that Mr Vanunu was anxious.

"Sometimes he shuts inside himself, sometimes he asks a lot of questions, he is tense. After 18 years that he was used to a certain routine and that routine is going to change and that made him tense. There were nights he didn't sleep," he said.

Among Mr Vanunu's supporters were British actress Susannah York and Nobel peace prize laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire of Northern Ireland. "You feel, 'Here is a hero for our times, a man who cannot be silenced,"' York told reporters yesterday. "I just say, 'Welcome back to life, Mordechai."'

Debmey

Hahahahahaha....... so what? how can these arabs complain when they themselves want to build nuclear weapons?

Seraphim

Israel have nuclear weapon development since 1950s...But they never ever used it or threaten to use it to anyone..EVENTHOUGH they are under attacked by Arabs later on..Well imagine what happened if a really unstable Arab country is having it...Please think...

I'll give you another example..Mr Saddam with his chem weapons in the 1991...

Israel has WMDs ... doesn't seem to bother the Americans

I see no problem with Israel having WMD. It seems to me you DO NOT understand the rationale of the prohibition.

First, All NUKES built & developed in the early years along with Russia, UK, France, China, Israel, ... is IRREVERSIBLE. Watcha gonna Menj? Watcha gonna do??

Second, all NUKES that escaped supervision, had it successfully built is too late to call off like Pakistan & India. What can we do to them Menj? What can we all do? Tell them to dismantle their nukes isn't a wise men talking at all.

Third, virtually every year, Arabs tries to bring this issue up; usually Egypt & Syria. NOT because they wanted a NUKE-FREE Middle East but they themselves want this kind of play thing but
(1) they can't afford it
(2) World's attitude has changed since France helped Israel develop the program in the 50's & 60's. [France also helped Iraq built a nuclear reactor capable of producing nuclear weapons but was detonated by Israel's special forces.]

Countries like Pakistan would not support Arab calls because they would be NEXT if there's disarmament.

Why I see there's nothing wrong with Israel having nuke is because it had actually prevented any occurence of major war (Arab-Israel) since 1973 Yom Kippur War. Not because Arabs are incapable of another war but they KNOW Israel's nuke is the last line of defence. The mentality is this:"If we destroy them, they'll destroy us".

So, how Arabs gonna remove this thorn?? The only explanation to their behaviour is raise the issue at the Security Council year after year after year. Without the nuke, Arabs would be launching war again. Between them, Arabs have around 6,000 tanks while Israel have about 2,000. All jet fighters combined, they have thousands whereas Israel numbered only 650-700. What prevented them from using conventional warfare is NUKE.

On the other hand, Seraphim had pointed out, would the Arabs not deploy NUKES/WMD over to Israel if they HAVE?? Definitely will. We have seen Iraq shoot off Scuds over to Israel in 1991. If Scuds can carry WMD warhead, I'm sure it will reach Israel long before Bush rise to power & while Clinton is having fun with Monica. If Jerusalem is destroyed, I'm sure Vatican, London & White House will unite. Therefore, it is of utmost importance to stop Arabs from having it! Therefore, as moderate Muslims, you should not support this evil call since nobody having problem with Israel having nuke.

Thus, the question here should be: "Should Arab countries be allowed to possess WMD?" The whole world will yell a resounding NO!!

IF IT'S OKAY FOR ISRAEL TO HAVE WMD AND NUKES, THEN WHY THE HELL ISRAEL LOCKED UP VANUNU FOR DAMNED BLOODY 18 YEARS AND TRIED TO SILENCE HIM AFTER HIS RELEASE?

Debmey

Because he was leaking state secrets.
In case yu do not know, Vanunu was released.

Salman,

I apologize if I hit a nerve. I really see no problem with it. One of the reason Anwar was incriminated is that he is accused of leaking state secret while he's abroad which Mahathir had explicitly stated his discontent of this nature. Vanunu's case is the same categorization you can find in many countries in the world & also in Middle East.

The secret is that Israel has nukes at its Dimona Reactor and it did not declare and sign the NPT treaty as required by UN. Vanunu did the right when he exposed Israel's nuke capability 18 years ago, as did other nations which declared their nuke potential. Even after exposing them and the secret is now open secret, Israel NEVER once deny it has nukes. The point is not whether Israel can have nukes, but whether Israel has declared it has nukes and open its facilities for UN inspection. After the exposure by Vanunu, Israel with the backup of US, tried to stop anybody, anyone who opens his mouth to challange Israel's nuke inspection. Nobody must be allowed to say anything about Israel nukes and much more even suggesting its inspection. Just look at what happened to John F Kennedy who suggested Israel's nuke inspection by the UN. He was shot in public, to let people know Israel's secret weapon remains a secret. The only people in the world today who is brave enough to suggest UN inspection of Israel's nuke capabilities are the Arabs. They voiced their concerns in the Arab League meetings. That's why Arabs must die, nobody must know anything about Israel's nuke potential. Nobody must not dare suggest anything about any inspections whatsoever. If 18 years ago Vanunu mentioned 200 nuke warheads in Israel, by now Israel must have more than 400 nuke warheads, the 3rd biggest nuke nation after US and Russia, enough to wipe out all neighbouring Arabs to pieces. But despite having 400 nukes, Israel is too scared to face Iraq - a weakened nation after 20 years of sanctions. Israel is too scared America might loose the war, and even more scared now when one by one, nations are pulling out their armies from Iraq.

whether Israel has declared it has nukes and open its facilities for UN inspection

I have no issue if UN were to inspect Israel's nuke facilities & recording of its nuke capabilities/strengths.

For Israel to keep it a secret or bar any possibility of inspections might have to do with its security. Just understand the sheer tiny size of Israel would do. Iraq's case is ample. Thus, Iran had its nuclear facilities scattered all over to prevent the possibility of premediated attacks. Even so, it would not jeopardise its nuclear projects. Israel is different. Its implication is severe.

This issue is not about U, cheng ho. It is about Israel's stubbornness in complying with international standards.

Debmey

Did Muslim countries like Indonesia, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi and Paksitan comply to international standards? So why should yopu complain?