Muhammad never claimed to be a prophet and being a prophet is never his jobscope

wkk5159

Due to popular demand, i open this thread. I'm welcoming muslims and whoever has indepth knowledge in Islam to provide me with Quranic verses, testifying that Muhammad did indeed claimed to be a prophet for Islam and being a prophet is really his job scope for the muslims.

Thank you.

miabebe

Ehhhh..tgn ni gatai je nk komen..tp skali ni je nk tego..sila tukar tajuk OK..kalo nk tahu Sgt pasal Islam g tempat yg betul spt di Perkim...sekian.

Sephiroth

I want to know what is the definition of a Prophet and what they supposed to do.

wkk5159

Hours have passed and yet still no muslims can provide me with Quranic evidence that Muhammad claimed to be a prophet.
Only a sex craved muslim by the avatar image of a porn star@miabeebee told me to go to Perkim for clarification.....

sam1528

wkk5159 :

Due to popular demand, i open this thread. I'm welcoming muslims and whoever has indepth knowledge in Islam to provide me with Quranic verses, testifying that Muhammad did indeed claimed to be a prophet for Islam and being a prophet is really his job scope for the muslims.

Thank you.

Tsk tsk , a sign of old age. Otherwise short term memory loss due to the beating you got.

Only yesterday you demanded per your own words , your post#33 , bitpart

Just admit that your crappy Quran lies about Jesus.
You haven't answer me my question; Did your pseudo prophet Muhammad admitted he was a prophet ??? Quote me the Quran verse !

This was easily answered , my post#37 , bitpart :
Waaah!! Now you demand for the Quranic verse that Prophet Muhammad(saw) admitted that he was / is a prophet? You are asking me to do something a lot more simpler that what I provided. No worries , Quran7:158 (sahih international)

Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided.

Issit that bad for you? Appears that you have lost short term memory due to the hammering you got.

I think I know why. You don't know what 'messenger' and 'prophet' means. Ever thought of asking about things that you don't know of?

Ha ha , this is so funny.

Sephiroth

Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him]

This is not a confirmation, this is just Muhammad proclaiming himself as a prophet. Anyone can proclaim himself as a prophet. They even do that in this day and time with various cults (like the Ayahpin cult).

wkk5159

This poor old sissy ustazy must be burning inside due to his inability to handle the truth...Can judge from the words he is using.

wkk5159

sam1528 replied at 19-3-2015 01:05 PM
Tsk tsk , a sign of old age. Otherwise short term memory loss due to the beating you got.

Only  ...

Thank you for your reply sissy ustazy.
No need to be so violent here with all the hammering here and there. Don't you get it i just like to provoke muslim like you ?

So does it really matter if Muhammad self proclaimed he was a prophet. Where are the hard evidences Muhammad is a true prophet ???

Sephiroth

wkk5159

So does it really matter if Muhammad self proclaimed he was a prophet. Where are the hard evidences Muhammad is a true prophet ???

Yes, it does matter if Muhammad proclaim himself as a prophet. As history already shown, many false prophets have also came forth and proclaim themselves as prophets as well.

And what is a true prophet? What is the characteristics of a true prophet? That is the most important question here.

sam1528

Sephiroth replied at 19-3-2015 02:50 PM
This is not a confirmation, this is just Muhammad proclaiming himself as a prophet. Anyone can proclaim himself as a prophet. They even do that in this day and time with various cults (like the Ayahpin cult).

LOL , this again shows that you have comprehension problems. Go back to post#1  , in bitpart

... provide me with Quranic verses, testifying that Muhammad did indeed claimed to be a prophet for Islam and being a prophet is really his job scope for the muslims.

Where does it state anything about confirmation?

Ha ha , this is the problem with haters. When cornered they change topics in order to slime away.

Ok then , define what are you looking for in your so called 'confirmation'? Lets see is you are brave enough to answer

sam1528

wkk5159 replied at 19-3-2015 03:48 PM
Thank you for your reply sissy ustazy.
No need to be so violent here with all the hammering here and there. Don't you get it i just like to provoke muslim like you ?

So does it really matter if Muhammad self proclaimed he was a prophet. Where are the hard evidences Muhammad is a true prophet ???

Ha ha , its changing the topic time again for you. Hmm , in the first place your question is (post#1 in bitpart)

provide me with Quranic verses, testifying that Muhammad did indeed claimed to be a prophet for Islam and being a prophet is really his job scope for the muslims.

LOL , you have been cornered and now you try to change topics. Too bad , you have used up your question and now its my turn :
(1) can you now show where in the bible that Jesus confirmed to have died on the cross?

(2) Where is it in the bible that Jesus in his very words stated that he was going to die for your sins?

Ha ha , this is what often happen to haters. They corner themselves and now desperate looking for an exit path.

Can you answer the simple questions?


Sure aaah , want to provoke? LOL , you appear to be angriest Christian on this planet. I think its more than that. You are trying to reverse argue because you cannot answer the above 2 questions.

wkk5159

Sephiroth replied at 19-3-2015 02:50 PM
This is not a confirmation, this is just Muhammad proclaiming himself as a prophet. Anyone can p ...

Many more claiming to be prophets after muhammad, one good example is Bahaillulah, in the eyes of many benign humanoids, Bahaillulah deserved to be called a prophet more than Muhammad....

Sephiroth

by Samsu5159

Where does it state anything about confirmation?  

That what I said also lah, stupid. Where got confirmation (about Muhammad being a prophet)? That verse (O Muhammad thing) is a self-proclaim (by Muhammad) that he is a prophet. You cannot read kah? BODOH.

Sephiroth

wkk5159 replied at 19-3-2015 04:14 PM
Many more claiming to be prophets after muhammad, one good example is Bahaillulah, in the eyes of  ...

And many more will do so in the future.
History in the past 1,500 years are full of such people and it is not even focused in Middle East areas alone. Tai'ping Rebellion (in 1800s) China was conducted by a religious leader who claimed to be send by the Heaven so save China and then upgraded himself to be younger brother of Jesus. Sikhism was created by Guru Nanak in response to Islam in India. It took many of the alien belief system of Islam (alien to India at that time). And even in Malaysia, we have Ayahpin and his teapot movement.


We can go on and on and on about cults. But they all have similar characteristics :-

1. A leader which have highest level of status (which other members cannot achieve).
2. Leader have total rights on deciding how social behavior should be in his cult.
3. Leader have total rights on deciding how law and order should be followed in his cult.
4. Demonizing the mainstream society as an evil and corrupted society which must be destroyed and rebuild.
5. Separation of the members from mainstream society - by brainwashing, information control or even threats.
6. Generate income/wealth by ANY means possible - including prostitution (or in Muhammad's case, warfare) to support its group.

These are the characteristic of a Cult and you can find each and every one of these criterias exists within Islam.

Some could ask - what about Hinduism and Buddhism? How are they not cults as well? In Hinduism, the goal of the belief is Moksha or unification of Individual Soul with the Divine. No matter how high a sage is, he is still a human and prone to make mistakes. Matter a fact, a sage will be wise to remember this and act carefully. And in Buddhism, Buddha used himself as a role model for others to follow which means there have been and will be other Buddhas after him. He did not go around saying his words were absolute and his followers must follow it without question (something Muhammad did).

Therefore Islam is a Cult and Muhammad was a cult leader.

wkk5159

Keep on repeating the already refuted and answered question is the sign of confirmed dementia and in the case this poor old sissy ustazy, he has a complex of Alzheimer and delirius tremens....taken your medicine already? Mental patient sam1528 ???

Classic...

" (1) can you now show where in the bible that Jesus confirmed to have died on the cross?   

(2) Where is it in the bible that Jesus in his very words stated that he was going to die for your sins?  "   

This of course just reinforce the fact this sunni salafist sam1528 is ;

1. Like all muslims, they are blinded spiritually by evil spirit.
2. They are mostly mentally and academically inadequate to comprehend Bible.
3. They are purposely pseudodyslexic.

Don't criticize Ahmadiyah when they are at least commit less astrocities than Sunni salafists like you. How many innocent heads you already chopped off in Iraq ah....

Any wonder why all muslim countries are failed state, they can't even compete with Buddhist and Hindu, let alone Christians and Jews.

sam1528

Sephiroth replied at 20-3-2015 08:23 AM
by Samsu5159

That what I said also lah, stupid. Where got confirmation (about Muhammad being a prophet)? That verse (O Muhammad thing) is a self-proclaim (by Muhammad) that he is a prophet. You cannot read kah? BODOH.

LOL , your post#6

This is not a confirmation, this is just Muhammad proclaiming himself as a prophet. Anyone can proclaim himself as a prophet. They even do that in this day and time with various cults (like the Ayahpin cult).

The issue presented in post#1

Due to popular demand, i open this thread. I'm welcoming muslims and whoever has indepth knowledge in Islam to provide me with Quranic verses, testifying that Muhammad did indeed claimed to be a prophet for Islam and being a prophet is really his job scope for the muslims.

Ha ha , do you know the difference between 'confirmation' and 'claim'?

Do you know what has been asked in post#1 against what you are blabbering about in your post#6? Ha ha , to a Hindoo supremacist like you 'confirmation' = 'claim'. No wonder you are having problems understanding anything and everything.

Like I stated , when cornered , haters like you always change topics in order the slime away.

sam1528

wkk5159 replied at 20-3-2015 09:18 AM
Keep on repeating the already refuted and answered question is the sign of confirmed dementia and in the case this poor old sissy ustazy, he has a complex of Alzheimer and delirius tremens....taken your medicine already? Mental patient sam1528 ???

Classic...

" (1) can you now show where in the bible that Jesus confirmed to have died on the cross?   

(2) Where is it in the bible that Jesus in his very words stated that he was going to die for your sins?  "   

This of course just reinforce the fact this sunni salafist sam1528 is ;

1. Like all muslims, they are blinded spiritually by evil spirit.
2. They are mostly mentally and academically inadequate to comprehend Bible.
3. They are purposely pseudodyslexic.

Don't criticize Ahmadiyah when they are at least commit less astrocities than Sunni salafists like you. How many innocent heads you already chopped off in Iraq ah....

Any wonder why all muslim countries are failed state, they can't even compete with Buddhist and Hindu, let alone Christians and Jews.

Ha ha , this again shows that you have failed miserably in your arguments. No evidence provided in any of your rebuttals.

I don't blame you. You faith is not derived from the bible but just a make believe. This is what Quran4:157 is pointing out. However when faced with the truth ..... LOL you cannot take it because you believe in the inerrancy of the bible.

You still have not answered me :

(1) can you now show where in the bible that Jesus confirmed to have died on the cross?

(2) Where is it in the bible that Jesus in his very words stated that he was going to die for your sins?

(3) you claim

This of course only reinforce the fact that Quran is fake when it said that Jesus did not die but someone else died in place of Jesus.   Quran 4:156-159

while referring to Quran4:157 (from you)   

"And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain". S. 4:157

Can you now pinpoint where in the said verse that state someone else died in place of Jesus?


Hmmmm , why are you so scared? It really shows that you are losing grip ; 'evil spirit' lah , 'inadequate to comprehend the bible' lah , 'pseudodyslexic' lah. However no attempts made to answer simple questions in relation to your faith. Just mindless blabber from you

You should learn from us muslims. Observe how confident we are in answering your questions , complete with the Quranic verse some more.

LOL , I have not even asked for you to prove the truth of the bible by taking up the drinking of poison challenge per mark16:18 (NIV)

they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

You'll probably faint when asked to drink weed killer.

Oops I forgot , you are still not baptized. However we can conduct an experiment on this. Perhaps the 'holy spirit' in you would help out. Ha ha

Sephiroth

by Samsu5159

Like I stated , when cornered , haters like you always change topics in order the slime away.

No one slime away here. You are the one who cannot even confirm that you are following genuine prophet and not some cult leader who managed to fool the Arabs and idiotic race like the Malay for 1,400 years.

I stand firm with my conclusion - Muhammad was a Cult Leader and Islam is a Doomsday Cult.

sam1528

Sephiroth replied at 20-3-2015 01:06 PM
by Samsu5159
No one slime away here. You are the one who cannot even confirm that you are following genuine prophet and not some cult leader who managed to fool the Arabs and idiotic race like the Malay for 1,400 years.

I stand firm with my conclusion - Muhammad was a Cult Leader and Islam is a Doomsday Cult.

Ha ha , again you are trying to change the topic. The question , I repeat post#1

Due to popular demand, i open this thread. I'm welcoming muslims and whoever has indepth knowledge in Islam to provide me with Quranic verses, testifying that Muhammad did indeed claimed to be a prophet for Islam and being a prophet is really his job scope for the muslims.

Can you now pinpoint where in post#1 that asked for confirmation? You are just arguing from your rear end.

You can conclude whatever you want. However your arguments are without evidence. Arguments without evidence is just farting thru your mouth. Nobody pays any attention to them except naive people like 'wkk5159' and the hindoo supremacist in you.

You probably do not know what is the meaning of evidence ..... ha ha .... am I not surprised .... you have comprehension problems .... yes?

I dunno , the one who seem to fool themselves are hindoos like you who die die believe that Krishna (you know the guy with the blue skin) held an 8km mountain with his little finger for 7 days protecting people from rain which was supposed to be the wrath of Indra.

Govardhana is a 8km long hill located near the town of Vrindavana in the Mathura district of Uttar Pradesh. It is believed that thousands of years ago, Lord Krishna lifted up this hill and held it over His head with his little finger for 7 days to protect the inhabitants of the town from the wrath of rain God Indra.

Evidence .... yilek. Who is Krishna? A figurine crafted by people and the same people bow and worship their creation. This is another case of people fooling themselves into worshiping their own creation. It would a lot more logical if you crafted Krishna to bow down and worship you as you are the entity who carve out Krishna.

What do you think of the logic? Awsome .... yes? Ha ha

Sephiroth

Conclusion - Muhammad was a Cult Leader and Islam is a Doomsday Cult.