Who Are the Palestinians?

Debmey

If you are so sure that 揚alestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history

sonny~~

not so fast ole chap.  first thin first.  whos the first settlers o PALESTINE?  any idea?  :bg:

peace

Early History of the Region

Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.

"Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes." Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, "Their Promised Land."

The present-day Palestinians' ancestral heritage

"But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree...And that parent tree was Canaanite...[The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin." Illene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan."

The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine

"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David's conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule." Illene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan."

More on Canaanite civilization

"Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE." The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.

How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

"alestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics - including its name in Arabic, Filastin - became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314." Edward Said, "The Question of Palestine."

Debmey

Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.

But Canaanites are not Palestinians. There is absolutely no evidence at all tolink the two. In fact, Palestuinians were extinct long before Islam was invented by Mo. Looks like yu never read the article and yu failed to answer many points on the article. Hahahahahahahahahahaha...........


What we do know for sure is that there was a Hebrew kingdom in Israel  3000 years ago.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-3-6 08:23 PM:
But Canaanites are not Palestinians. There is absolutely no evidence at all tolink the two. In fact, Palestuinians were extinct long before Islam was invented by Mo. Looks like yu never ...

What we do know for sure is that there was a Hebrew kingdom in Israel  3000 years ago.

there u go brayin when ure trapped by SONNYs HARDfacts.  its embarrassin to c u bray.............

n canaanites r not israelis either right?  theres absolutely no HARDevidence at all to link the 2 despite the HARDfact canaanites r the earliest settlers in PALESTINE.  right?

nope theres no hebrew kingdom in israel but in PALESTINE 3000 years ago.  dont twist HARDfact.  despite the hebrew kingdom, PALESTINE has been changin hands n its now PALESTINIANS' land.  read.  

no way u can claim PALESTINE is hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists' lands.  only with donkey un's grace that israel can exist thru dividin PALESTINE  :bg:

peace

How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

"alestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics - including its name in Arabic, Filastin - became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314." Edward Said, "The Question of Palestine."

Debmey

But there is absolutely no evidence to support your claim. In fact, evidence shows yu to be wrong. Palestinians are arabs, not Canaanites.

sonny~~

yup PALESTINIANS r arabs BUTT they're muslim arabs (majority) n christian arabs n jews etc.  theyre not muslim arabs per se

n israelis r not canaanites either.  hence the world never says PALESTINE is israel.  they say PALESTINE is PALESTINE.  thats why donkey un has to divide PALESTINE so that israel can exist.  simple

agin ure trapped by ur own donkey hecklin  

peace

Debmey

if they are arabs, they are therefore not Canaanites. That means they have no rights to the land.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-3-9 10:52 AM:
if they are arabs, they are therefore not Canaanites. That means they have no rights to the land.

wrong.  PALESTINE is for PALESTINANS be they muslims (majority), christians, jews etc

israel is for hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionists

PALESTINE is not israel n israel is not PALESTINE.  thats HARDfacts  

peace

Debmey

And there is no proof that Israel belong to these so called Palestinians.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-3-9 11:06 PM:
And there is no proof that Israel belong to these so called Palestinians.

how u spam.  where me said israel belongs to PALESTINIANS?  where?  

peace

Debmey

That settles it, Israel don't belong to so called Palestinians then.

sonny~~

inother words israel belongs to hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionists n PALESTINE belongs to PALESTINIANS.  n hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionists r rapin PALESTINE n PALESTINIANS when they build 800 kilo apartheid wall 6 kilo deep inside the occupied PALESTINIAN territories n not 6 kilo deep inside israel proper.  admit that like a man.  read  

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-3-9 10:52 AM:
if they are arabs, they are therefore not Canaanites. That means they have no rights to the land.

wrong.  PALESTINE is for PALESTINANS be they muslims (majority), christians, jews etc

israel is for hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionists

PALESTINE is not israel n israel is not PALESTINE.  thats HARDfacts  

peace

Debmey

Thats right, Israel does belong to Jews.

sonny~~

n PALESTINE belongs to PALESTINIANS.  hehe  

peace

[ Last edited by sonny~~ on 10-3-2004 at 01:21 PM ]

Debmey

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2004-3-10 01:20 PM:
n PALESTINE belongs to PALESTINIANS.  hehe  

peace

[ Last edited by sonny~~ on 10-3-2004 at 01:21 PM ]

But yu have no proof

peace

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-3-10 01:44 PM:


But yu have no proof

peace

here u r  ;)

Early History of the Region

Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.

"Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes." Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, "Their Promised Land."

The present-day Palestinians' ancestral heritage

"But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree...And that parent tree was Canaanite...[The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin." Illene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan."

The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine

"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David's conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule." Illene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan."

More on Canaanite civilization

"Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE." The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.

How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

"alestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics - including its name in Arabic, Filastin - became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314." Edward Said, "The Question of Palestine."

Debmey

But there is no proof to support what you claimed.

sonny~~

quit spammin n read me cut n paste above  

peace

Debmey

What yu have given are claims, not proof.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-3-2004 09:29:
What yu have given are claims, not proof.

He already siad HE CUT AND PASTE FROM THE SITE HE GOT THE INFO FROM. Whatelse is there?????? You don't tell me you want photos taken from ancient ah??? Then you go back in time loh.