[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

mrssazali

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i dont know who u really r samyvelu..
tapi kalau aku dapat kau....AKU PANCUNG KAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LAKNATULLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i dont know who u really r samyvelu..
tapi kalau aku dapat kau....AKU PANCUNG KAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LAKNATULLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MrFed

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Originally posted by mrssazali at 7-4-2008 10:03 PM



come on la samyyyyy....in india perkahwinan kanak2 mmg wujud sehingga hari ini...mengapa soal itu anda tak bangkitkan....jelas dan nyata.......even in US satu ketika dahulu pernah ada undan ...

Orang Idia bukan saja kahwin dengan kanak2, tapi binatnag pun mereka SAPU.

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Debmey

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If the marriage was so wrong, then why didn抰 Aisha抯 mother object to the marriage? Instead she happily gave Aisha for marriage, and prepared her for the marriage

There was no indication that Aisha's mother happily gave her in marriage.
There are people who happily sell their daughters into prostitution too. What do you think?

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Why didn抰 Abu bakr the father of Aisha object to the marriage? If it was so wrong you would expect the father to have not allowed such a marriage to take place.

Actually Abu Bakar did object to the marriage up front but mohd was insistent and he had no choice cos mohd was a tyrant.

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Are we supposed to assume that Abu Bakr, and Aisha抯 mother, and the women present with Aisha are all pedophiles and child molesters? Indeed such a conclusion will be very ignorant, and arrogant.

Perhaps they had no choice, perhaps thats was the practice of that time. But just because it was ok back then does not mean it was ok morally. Just as slavery was common does not make it moral.
Cannibalism was ok too in some cultures but does that make it moral or ok? Rape of captive women and slaves is ok in islam but does that make it ok or moral or godly?
If Mo was supposed to be the model for all mankind by the will of God, why didn't God guide him or why didn't he have the wisdom to break and stop a bad practice of his time?

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Why didn抰 any of the prophet抯 enemies use this against the prophet Muhammad? If the marriage was so wrong, then you would expect to find his enemies to be the first ones to start using this against him, instead what we find is that his enemies NEVER EVEN ONCE brought this marriage up in a negative way against him.

Who knows? maybe they did. maybe they were just as immoral. maybe mohd's other ways were even more heinous that in perspective not a focus.
maybe they efeared him and dare not criticise or maybe they were silenced by mohd.

Debmey

Is there anyhting wrong with the marriage? Did Prophet Muhammad ever hurt Aisha? Muhammad and Aisha had a wonderful marriage filled with love, when Muhammad died, his head was on Aisha's lap, Aisha praised Muhammad highly, and Aisha became rawi of hadith that contributed a lot in Islam.

There is a lot of wrong with the marriage, she was only 9 years old!Mohd did hurt Aisha. She became barren and suffered psychological problems and became extremely jealous through Stocklohm syndrome.After Mo died, Aisha was one of the ring leaders who led a rebellion and caused a lot of problem for islam that lasted until today. Poor little Aisha. She lost her childhood. She was destroyed physically as well as psychologically. In the end, she was made widow for life and held under house arrest until she died.

It is only the cultures that are different. To some cultures, burning widows is a noble act, to some cultures, there's nothing wrong with killing babies, to some cultures, sex out of wedlock is described as "love", to some cultures, war is the greatest theatre of mankind.

Even if it was ok with the arabs of mo's time, it was still not right. That is the issue.

MrFed

betol juga kata2 jaundice, x terpk aku kesitu....dierang ni x abes2 nak cari pasal

jaundice

Originally posted by Debmey at 8-4-2008 07:24 PM
There is a lot of wrong with the marriage, she was only 9 years old!Mohd did hurt Aisha. She became barren and suffered psychological problems and became extremely jealous through Stocklohm syndrome.After Mo died, Aisha was one of the ring leaders who led a rebellion and caused a lot of problem for islam that lasted until today. Poor little Aisha. She lost her childhood. She was destroyed physically as well as psychologically. In the end, she was made widow for life and held under house arrest until she died.

You have no proof that she was hurt. You have no proof that she was barren. You have no proof that she suffered psychological problems. You have no proof that she became extremely jealous through Stockholm Syndrome (how the hell can anyone can be jealous through Stockholm Syndrome anyway).

After Muhammad died, Abu Bakr became caliph, after that Umar became caliph, after that Uthman became caliph, Aisha did not launch a rebellion in any of these men's rule. She didn't launch a rebellion because she was "psychologically hurt", this only comes from your sick disgusting mind, it's just that political tensions were high during Ali's rule.

Originally posted by Debmey at 8-4-2008 07:24 PM
Even if it was ok with the arabs of mo's time, it was still not right. That is the issue.

I ddn't say the issues was that it was okay during the time of Muhammad, I said that the issue was that the human mind is relative, and it is only perceived to be wrong to you because of the culture you were brought up in.

[ Last edited by  jaundice at 8-4-2008 07:51 PM ]

Nazrulism

We have to understand that Islam is all about "Rights and Limits". The Quran clarifies what everyone's rights are and what the limits are as well.

It was through this matrimony of marriage to the prophet, peace be upon him, that we found the example of the meaning of the limitations set forth in the fourth chapter of the Quran, entitled "The Women":

"O you who believe! You are forbiddent to inherit women against their will." - Surah An-Nisaa' :19

Women around the world used to have no rights and men knew no limits in dealing with the women. One of the problems was that a man could marry off his daughter at any age and she could not refuse.

samyvellu

Originally posted by disclaimer at 8-4-2008 06:40 PM
i dont know who u really r samyvelu..
tapi kalau aku dapat kau....AKU PANCUNG KAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LAKNATULLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look how muslims are behaving.
Want to pancung because I questioned abt Mohd.
Man,this is the atitude of muslims
How can the muslims expect non-muslims to respect their religion if u guys are behaving like this?

samyvellu

Originally posted by mrssazali at 8-4-2008 03:56 PM





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If the marriage was so wrong, then why didn抰 Aisha抯 mother object to the marriage? Instead she happily gave Aisha for marriage, and prepared her for the marriage
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Why didn抰 A ...

This is the inital reaction of Aisha's father

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." TheProphet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, butshe (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."


Abu Bakr did in fact object the marriage.

mrssazali

Originally posted by Debmey at 8-4-2008 07:16 PM

There was no indication that Aisha's mother happily gave her in marriage.
There are people who happily sell their daughters into prostitution too. What do you think?





Actually Abu B ...

It's only ur biased perception Mr. Barn........Do you hv any hadiths or a verse from the koran to support ur allegations....U keep telling us grandma stories...I'm sick of that.....

Come on la Mr Barn grow uppppp......

samyvellu

Originally posted by jaundice at 8-4-2008 07:47 PM


You have no proof that she was hurt. You have no proof that she was barren. You have no proof that she suffered psychological problems. You have no proof that she became extremely jealous thr ...

Care to show me the proof that she was not hurt and suffer no physchological problems?

jaundice

The burden of proof is not on me. it is on the one who presented the claim.

[ Last edited by  jaundice at 8-4-2008 08:56 PM ]

mrssazali

Originally posted by samyvellu at 8-4-2008 08:32 PM


This is the inital reaction of Aisha's father

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." TheProphe ...

Ab

jaundice

For those who don't know, Aisha sebenarnya sebelum dikahwinkan kepada Nabi Muhammad memang dah bertunang, tapi husband to be Aisha tu seorang kafir.

mrssazali

MORE AND MORE GRANDMA STORIES FROM MR deb AND HIS BALACI SAMYYYYYYY

[ Last edited by  mrssazali at 9-4-2008 07:41 AM ]

Debmey

You have no proof that she was hurt. You have no proof that she was barren. You have no proof that she suffered psychological problems. You have no proof that she became extremely jealous through Stockholm Syndrome (how the hell can anyone can be jealous through Stockholm Syndrome anyway).

You call yourself a muslim? It seems you are not aware that Aisha was childless even after 8 years of marriage.
If you had truely studied the hadiths, you would have known that what i said about Aisha was true.

A quick review of Aisha's life, during and following Muhammad's death, shows that she exhibited some psychological problems:

1)         She was extremely jealous of some of Muhammad's other wives.
From Bukhari, 5.164:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet as much as I did of  Khadija (although) she died before he married me, for I often heard him mentioning her, and Allah had told him to give her the good tidings that she would have a palace of Qasab (i.e. pipes of precious stones and pearls in Paradise), and whenever he slaughtered a sheep, he would send her women-friends a good share of it.

2)         She conspired with other wives and lied to and deceived Muhammad.
From Bukhari 7.192:
Narrated 'Ubaid bin 'Umar:

I heard 'Aisha saying, "The Prophet used to stay for a long while with Zanab bint Jahsh and drink honey at her house. So Hafsa and I decided that if the Prophet came to anyone of us, she should say him, "I detect the smell of Maghafir (a nasty smelling gum) in you. Have you eaten Maghafir?' " So the Prophet visited one of them and she said to him similarly. The Prophet said, "Never mind, I have taken some honey at the house of Zainab bint Jahsh, but I shall never drink of it anymore." So there was revealed: 'O Prophet ! Why do you ban (for you) that which Allah has made lawful for you ... If you two (wives of Prophet) turn in repentance to Allah,' (66.1-4) addressing Aisha and Hafsa.  'When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to some of his wives.'   (66.3) namely his saying: But I have taken some honey."

After Muhammad died, Abu Bakr became caliph, after that Umar became caliph, after that Uthman became caliph, Aisha did not launch a rebellion in any of these men's rule. She didn't launch a rebellion because she was "psychologically hurt", this only comes from your sick disgusting mind, it's just that political tensions were high during Ali's rule.

Again you showed you know nuts about the hadiths and islamic history and try to BS your way through for allah.
She was a ringleader in the first Muslim civil war... the first time Muslims took arms up against other Muslims.  According to the Hadith, Muslims went to hell for fighting in support of her.  In the "Battle of the Camel", thousands of Muslims were killed fighting against each other.  Aisha's side lost, and she was basically put under house arrest by Ali.

From Bukhari 9.204:
Narrated Al-Hasan:
(Al-Ahnaf said I went out carrying my arms during the nights of the affliction (i.e. the war between 'Ali and 'Aisha) and Abu Bakra met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I intend to help the cousin of Allah's Apostle (i.e., 'Ali)." Abu Bakra said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'If two Muslims take out their swords to fight each other, then both of them will be from amongst the people of the Hell-Fire.' It was said to the Prophet, 'It is all right for the killer but what about the killed one?' He replied, 'The killed one had the intention to kill his opponent.'"

5.116:
Narrated Abu Wail:
When 'Ali sent 'Ammar and Al-Hasan to (the people of) Kufa to urge them to fight, 'Ammar addressed them saying, "I know that she (i.e. 'Aisha) is the wife of the Prophet in this world and in the Hereafter (world to come), but Allah has put you to test, whether you will follow Him (i.e. Allah) or her."


        So not only did Aisha help cause the death of thousands of Muslim men, she is pictured as acting against the very will of Allah.
One can only feel sorry for Aisha.  Robbed of her childhood, becoming a bride to a man who had a large sexual appetite for many women, Aisha felt she had to at times lie to and deceive Muhammad to keep his attention.  She ends up after her marriage to him, left all alone, forbidden to re-marry.  Later, she helps lead the first Muslim civil war, causing the death of thousands of Muslims, who according to Islam, would go to hell for fighting each other.  Finally defeated, she is not executed but ordered to live the rest of her days, basically under house arrest, in Medina.

I ddn't say the issues was that it was okay during the time of Muhammad, I said that the issue was that the human mind is relative, and it is only perceived to be wrong to you because of the culture you were brought up in.

In perspective, if mohd was truely the model for mankind, he wouldn't have committed paedophilia and child marriage with Aisha.
Not only did he not stop such a practice, he practiced it himself and thus perpetuating it because muslim men after him took him as example.