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UNIT TRUST PUBLIC MUTUAL; MACAMANA NAK UNTUNG CEPAT DAN BANYAK?

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Post time 13-10-2009 12:34 PM | Show all posts
Ada sorang kawan yg buat UT ni ajak pi talk tentang 'pengurusan kewangan'. Rupa-rupanya citer pasal kerjaya dalam unit trust . Takper lah layan jer 'talk' tu. Terkezut jugak bila mengetahui r ...
putragold Post at 13-10-2009 11:18


  hahaha..aku suka baca posting ko nie..

dulu aku pernah di approach oleh agent UT (dia tak tau aku agen UT gaks )...aku layan jer maklumlah aweks , then keluarla ayat2 marketing standard..

aku test dia..tgk chart pakai type candlestick ker ? pakai indicator apa dan platform mana? entry and exit strategy camna? bla bla bla... ..tak tau, yg penting tgk long term

nasihat kepda UTC2 newbie..technical part although macm tak important (sebb fund manager handle) tp actually penting bila kuar soalan cepuemas..jgn sebok kejar sales ajer, management penting..ilmu di dada juga kena seiring dgn total sales anda...(aku UTC, aku faham.. )

becarefull dgn org yg main forex dan stock trader cam putragold tue..pd mereka UT nie basic ajer..
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Post time 13-10-2009 12:35 PM | Show all posts
718# anasue

skrg area 20c....buy 25c tk jauh dah tu...sayang plak dia tkder cash nk topup kan....
klu tksilap PCIF fund paling murah NAV dia kan.....teringin aku nk tgk dividen dia berapa....
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Post time 13-10-2009 12:37 PM | Show all posts
macam mana nak naik semangat balik buat sales ni....
rasa macam dah nak give up je
rasa dah lost track
anasue Post at 13-10-2009 10:41


aku every week layan ceta "The Pursuit of Happ'y'ness"..lakonan will smith..

pas tengok, aku rasa semangat balik...
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Post time 13-10-2009 12:42 PM | Show all posts
714# isahashim

tapi kau patut bersyukur mcm chayuk ckp tu sbb dpt beli masa bottom....makna position ko skang adlah dlm wilayah positif kan....brapa sen yerk ko dpt price tu.....
dua mlm lepas aku ada la kira2 position aku..tk byk pun...saja nk hiburkan hati...orait la jugak...!tido pun senyum jekr mlm tu....tp lambat lagik nk tuai..kena tunggu 55 thn nanti.....
trinagt program bicara wang hari sabtu..tntnang plan utk retirement...nampak nya kena pulun tul utk biak duit bersara nanti...
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Post time 13-10-2009 12:47 PM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by amirul_nazri at 13-10-2009 13:06

nie aku sahaja nak share ngan korunk

In general..fund konvensional sepatutnya lebih perform dpd islamic fund la nie..Ia based on faktor Beta..

Beta = A historical measure of a fund's sensitivity to movements in the benchmark index. A fund with a beta of 1.50 is significantly more volatile than its benchmark. It would tend to gain 1.5% for every 1% rise in the market and lose 1.5% for every 1% decline in the market.

Aku trace below data from Market Wrap Report ending 9 October..subject to change based on risk management ..

Islamic Fund..Beta benchmark index = 1.00
Pittikal = 0.86
PIEF = 0.80
PIOF = 0.89
PIDF = 0.73

Non Islamic Fund..Beta benchmark index = 1.00
Public Index Fund = 1.07
Public Agresif Growth Fund = 1.24
Public Equity Fund = 1.12
Public Index Fund = 1.01

Bermakna, kalau investor put money dlam Public Agresif Growth Fund, stiap 1% FBM KLCI naik, duit NAV dia naik 1.24%...WOW!! (turun pun 1.24% gak..huhu)  
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Post time 13-10-2009 02:36 PM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by amirul_nazri at 13-10-2009 13:06

nie aku sahaja nak share ngan korunk

In general..fund konvensional sepatutnya lebih perform dpd islamic fund la nie..Ia based on faktor Beta..
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amirul_nazri Post at 13-10-2009 12:47


TQ amirul bg info ni....
so conclusion nampak jelas klu mrket sdg bull atau uptrend amik yg beta more than sbb cepat sikit naik....dah nama pun  uptrend so tkyah risau pasal turun cepat....
dan bila mrkt dlm fasa penurunan baik masuk fund yg beta below 1 sbb lambat sikit turun bukit....he..he..

tapi apapun aku pegang yg islamic fund...satu terang2 halalan dan satu lagi bila turun dia masih kurang risk..tkder gelungsur laju....

Amirul....PCIF brapa dia punya beta???
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Post time 13-10-2009 02:49 PM | Show all posts
TQ amirul bg info ni....
so conclusion nampak jelas klu mrket sdg bull atau uptrend amik yg beta more than sbb cepat sikit naik....dah nama pun  uptrend so tkyah risau pasal turun cepat....
dan  ...
mytrade Post at 13-10-2009 14:36


Aku buat manual ratio jer bro..PCIF ni ade Shanghai Index, Hang Seng Index, Taiwan Index dan FBM KLCI Index..tgk total % movement of overall dan relatekan dgn NAV PCIF..on forthnightly basis..
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Post time 13-10-2009 07:18 PM | Show all posts
ok chayuk n mytrade....nak tny satu soalan pada semua kat cni...nape majoriti talk about PCIF saje ek? konpius gak aku..fund lain pe cite?

betul ckp korang tu chayuk n mytrade psl aku beli PCIF time murah but masalahnya sekarang aku dah jual semua PCIF (time agent suruh lock kat ISLAMIC BOND) pas  2 beli blk bukannye PCIF tp PCSF (alasan sbb PCSF murah lg pd PCIF)....so 2 yg rasa mcm rugi 2.....pas2 korang plak asyik sembang pasal PCIF je......2 yg lg xbest 2...

XDE SAPE NAK KASI PANDANGAN KE...AKU ADA 13K RITE NOW NIE, NAK WAT PE EK...TAMBAH DLM PCSF or BELI PCIF or BELI FUND2 lain yg murah....  SOS>>>>
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Post time 13-10-2009 08:33 PM | Show all posts
719# putragold  

peaceeee....he..he..
adat la tu...dah nama pun jual unit saham amanah....apalagi airliur mst cukup stok dan mulut kena taruk gula byk kasik manis....he..he..
tapi walau apapun k ...
mytrade Post at 13-10-2009 12:31


ni memang realiti dalam memana bisnes pun. first impression tu penting.
Aku kalu orang tanya, sesuai ke masuk UT lar ni, aku cakap kalu tengok indicator tu ini, memang sesuai sangat tapi short term jer lar pasal bla bla bla.... aku cakap benda yg aku rasa betul tapi ayat aku tu mematikan niat dia nak invest. Memang aku takleh jadi salesman kot tu yg tak jadi jutawan lagi

Knowledge yg paling power bila kita kena bayar yuran pengajian yg agak lumayan akibat salah money management dan kita baru menyedarinya
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Post time 13-10-2009 08:49 PM | Show all posts
  hahaha..aku suka baca posting ko nie..

dulu aku pernah di approach oleh agent UT (dia tak tau aku agen UT gaks )...aku layan jer maklumlah aweks , then keluarla ayat2 marketing  ...
amirul_nazri Post at 13-10-2009 12:34


naper lar takde aweks UT yg approach aku
tapi kalu tengok secara rambang, tak ramai bakal investor UT ni paham part teknikal nih. meka lebih suka stail macam kawan aku tuh. Ayat-ayat 'cinta UT' mesti power, lagipun ni long term kan.... dan merekalah yg banyak duit dan tak tau nak park kat mana duit tu. Al maklum, dah pandai main OD/Emas, OD/Rumah, OD/Kelisa etc etc. Letak kat ASB, kawan aku dah habaq pendapat ustaz/ulama anti-ASB haram bla bla bla so the best tool UT lar
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Post time 13-10-2009 08:58 PM | Show all posts
ok chayuk n mytrade....nak tny satu soalan pada semua kat cni...nape majoriti talk about PCIF saje ek? konpius gak aku..fund lain pe cite?

betul ckp korang tu chayuk n mytrade psl aku beli PCIF tim ...
isahashim Post at 13-10-2009 19:18


ada sorang UT bagi advice, guna nisbah pelaburan 50:30:20 untuk
Big Capital: Small Capital: Overseas

1) Big Capital: The funds invest in big companies like Sime, Telekom, TNB, DiGi.

2) Small Capital: The funds invest in small companies with market capitalization of less than RM 1.25 billion (for PIOF) and RM 6billion (for PISTF).  

3) Overseas: The funds invest in overseas companies in countries like China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, Australia and Singapore

ni pun salah satu ilmu risk management jugak nih .
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Post time 13-10-2009 10:35 PM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by amirul_nazri at 13-10-2009 22:42
ok chayuk n mytrade....nak tny satu soalan pada semua kat cni...nape majoriti talk about PCIF saje ek? konpius gak aku..fund lain pe cite?

betul ckp korang tu chayuk n mytrade psl aku beli PCIF tim ...
isahashim Post at 13-10-2009 19:18


This thread more concerned ttg pcif performance sbb fund nie paling suit dgn kaedah switching nie..sekali dia langkah mmg besar, silap langkah, terkoyak rabak..

Dr posting2 ko before, dah nampak ngan jelas type of investor ko nie..so, pcif ngan ko is perfect matching..

check pm bro..
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Post time 13-10-2009 10:41 PM | Show all posts
ada sorang UT bagi advice, guna nisbah pelaburan 50:30:20 untuk
Big Capital: Small Capital: Overseas

1) Big Capital: The funds invest in big companies like Sime, Telekom, TNB, DiGi.

2) Smal ...
putragold Post at 13-10-2009 20:58



lain utc lain style..different approach, different return then..

aku always suka divide some into bond funds..create buffer zone kat situ..

and aku anti overseas fund..except china..currency exposure nie perghhh...sejak trade forex nie, faham2 jer la..
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Post time 13-10-2009 11:04 PM | Show all posts
naper lar takde aweks UT yg approach aku
tapi kalu tengok secara rambang, tak ramai bakal investor UT ni paham part teknikal nih. meka lebih suka stail macam kawan aku tuh. Ayat-ayat 'cinta ...
putragold Post at 13-10-2009 20:49


aku dpt byk ilmu dr TT, bicarajutawan (post GF) dan forex..baru tak cuak kalau kuar soalan cepuemas..bila present, aku suka tunjuk chartnexus..baru confident nak explain ttg market condition from technical part..

dulu kuar ayat-ayat "cinta" UTC gaks..apa2 pun, skill nak buat sales still important, cuma aku nie kureng la bab tue..maklumlah tak romantik  

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Post time 13-10-2009 11:23 PM | Show all posts
so amirul ko rasa aku ptt beli psif dgn 13k yg aku ada skang?
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Post time 13-10-2009 11:24 PM | Show all posts
so amirul ko rasa aku ptt beli pcif dgn 13k yg aku ada skang?
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Post time 14-10-2009 12:36 AM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by amirul_nazri at 14-10-2009 00:56
so amirul ko rasa aku ptt beli pcif dgn 13k yg aku ada skang?
isahashim Post at 13-10-2009 23:24


tgk market horizon..china ada huge prospect..and some more from 2008-2009, china strongly resist tempias dr US (in general based on datas,news and performance)..

if i were u..i will buy pcif with some onto bond funds becoz aku suka arrange camnie.. (nie ayat2 cinta gak ker.. )
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 Author| Post time 14-10-2009 09:07 AM | Show all posts
ok chayuk n mytrade....nak tny satu soalan pada semua kat cni...nape majoriti talk about PCIF saje ek? konpius gak aku..fund lain pe cite?

betul ckp korang tu chayuk n mytrade psl aku beli PCIF tim ...

PCSF (alasan sbb PCSF murah lg pd PCIF)....so 2 yg rasa mcm rugi 2.....pas2 korang plak asyik sembang pasal PCIF je......2 yg lg xbest 2...


isahashim Post at 13-10-2009 19:18


PCSF pon ok masa tu, tapi yr consultant justify to buy PCSF instead of PCIF, for my personal opinion is kurang tepat, price yg murah bukannya indicator untuk nak beli bg UT.

PCSF kurang popular utk discussion disini, walopon ianya  boleh switch sana sini  may be better than PCIF ..kerana ianya konvesional,  non islamic funds.
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 Author| Post time 14-10-2009 09:11 AM | Show all posts
One of my clients ada beli PCIF masa first launched ari tu at 0.25 RM10k
seleoas bbrp bulan dia ckp turun and dia nk jual..ana suruh dia average tp dia kta tak ada duit..so dia sabar menunggu sampai  ...

dia sabar menunggu sampai sekarang.....
apa nak buat yek?

anasue Post at 13-10-2009 10:51


jika anasue faham, discusssion dithread ni, anasue akan tahu, macamana nak buat..
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 Author| Post time 14-10-2009 09:37 AM | Show all posts
  hahaha..aku suka baca posting ko nie..

dulu aku pernah di approach oleh agent UT (dia tak tau aku agen UT gaks )...aku layan jer maklumlah aweks , then keluarla ayat2 marketing  ...

[quote]becarefull dgn org yg main forex dan stock trader cam putragold tue..pd mereka UT nie basic ajer..

amirul_nazri Post at 13-10-2009 12:34 [/quote]

just nak betulkan ayat amirul, from my personal view utk UTC2.
btw, this statement not ditujukan kat sapa2,  putragold ke..

UTC kena pahamkan meraka yg ada basic financial and inv macam forex, share market, derivative, dll.
basicnya sama, tapi mechanisme berbeza..
Technical  part also berbedza..

utk UTC, may be u all selalu jumpa mereka mereka yang claim lagi terer dari U all ( tp u all kena understand in depth pasal UT ) samada di alam realiti atau siber..bila mereka tahu share market ke, forex ke..

lps tu keluarlah dr mereka..
"jangan invest sekarang, klci 1500, too high.."..mereka tak ambil tahu, load and unloaded fund, switching process..
" fee UT tinggi, compare share mkt.." time u all managing (kalau u all managelah..), mereka assume beli dan peram macam labu peram 3-5 tahun..
" jangan beli UT, nanti agents kaya raya dan jadi jutawan.." haa..ha..yg ni selalu jumpa kerana dengkikan org yg berusaha..(sellau jumpa..pernah saya tanya, kenapa dia tak jual UT kalau dah tahu sennag jadi jutawan, katanya dia tak reti bercakap..tapi beliau bercakap mengutuk UTC, panjang lebar, penuh provokasi....penulisan pon teramat bagus...

some people ingat jual UT senang je..senang time markt menaik, market menjunam, UTC2 hilangkan diri jual MLM susu lah, dll...

UTk UTC semua, my advice belajar UT ni indepth, practise apa u preach, market naik and down, tempiasnya ada..tapi sikeettt je..
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