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Pemikiran Salafi- Dr.Yusuf Al Qardawi menjadi ikutan Dr Asri?
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Originally posted by ikhwanindo at 2-4-2007 10:09 AM
Hehehe...kalau antum bukan salafy mak antum bukan pula ASWJ. Karena ASWJ itu beraqidah sebagaimana para sahabat beraqidah, dan salafy mengambil nisbat dari salafusshalih maka mereka dinamaka ...
ASWJ tu mengaku wahabi @ salafi tu sebagai sebahagian dari mereka ka?? Orang jahil muraqab pun bisa mengaku sebagai ASWJ sedangkan jalan yang dilaluinya sesat dan terus-terusan sesat.
Begitu juga yang berfikiran goblok bisa saja mengatakan ikut salafi tapi salafi versi Albani al-kazzab itu ka ataupun Ben Bazz yang cerah penglihatannya itu ka dong?. 
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Originally posted by ibnur at 2-4-2007 10:58 AM
berselindung dengan ASWJ, menghentam sunni tapi diqiyaskan wahabi.
Hehehe...wahabi yang berselindung dalam ASWJ tu lebih bahaya lagi. Mengaku ikut mazhab tapi bermati-matian membela wahabi la-mazhab.
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Originally posted by Gravedigger at 3-4-2007 01:01 AM
Hehehe...wahabi yang berselindung dalam ASWJ tu lebih bahaya lagi. Mengaku ikut mazhab tapi bermati-matian membela wahabi la-mazhab.
yang taqiyah jadi ASWJ macamna yer? |
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Originally posted by ibnur at 3-4-2007 08:49 AM
yang taqiyah jadi ASWJ macamna yer?
Yang bukan taqiyah tapi cuma katanya muslihat saja ape kebender yer? Orang bertahlil arwah dia pun sama bertahlil malah makan ayam lebih lagi dari ASWJ tapi kat belakang kata bidaah lak...hehehe.
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Originally posted by Gravedigger at 3-4-2007 10:06 AM
Yang bukan taqiyah tapi cuma katanya muslihat saja ape kebender yer? Orang bertahlil arwah dia pun sama bertahlil malah makan ayam lebih lagi dari ASWJ tapi kat belakang kata bidaah lak...he ...
dah pulak!!! sekarang yang pergi makan tahlil dipanggil wahabi!!! |
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Originally posted by ibnur at 3-4-2007 12:00 PM
dah pulak!!! sekarang yang pergi makan tahlil dipanggil wahabi!!!
Hehehe...lurus benor ghoper nyer! Bacalah betul-betul dulu sebelum dikatakan lurus bendul. Tak koser komer nak mengulangnyer balik.
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Originally posted by Gravedigger at 3-4-2007 12:33 PM
Hehehe...lurus benor ghoper nyer! Bacalah betul-betul dulu sebelum dikatakan lurus bendul. Tak koser komer nak mengulangnyer balik.
dah baca betul dah... sampai niat dalam hati tu! lepas tu nak masuk jarum apa pulak? |
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Originally posted by ibnur at 3-4-2007 06:02 PM
dah baca betul dah... sampai niat dalam hati tu! lepas tu nak masuk jarum apa pulak?
Hehehe....yang dah masukkan jarum cop al-ahkam dalam forum ni saper yer?? Siap boleh passing pulak jadi mod.
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Originally posted by Gravedigger at 3-4-2007 06:31 PM
Hehehe....yang dah masukkan jarum cop al-ahkam dalam forum ni saper yer?? Siap boleh passing pulak jadi mod.
jeles ke? kalau nak jadi mod, pegi la apply dengan admin. |
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Originally posted by ibnur at 3-4-2007 06:38 PM
jeles ke? kalau nak jadi mod, pegi la apply dengan admin.
Ishk..ishk tak kuasa aku nak masukkan jarum wahabi kat sini.
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Orang pakai jarum untuk menjahit. dimasukkan benang dan jahit kain. boleh juga jahit kulit orang bertujuan untuk menyembuh.
bukan untuk cucuk-cucuk orang. kau pakai jarum untuk cucuk orang ke? |
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Originally posted by ibnur at 3-4-2007 06:47 PM
Orang pakai jarum untuk menjahit. dimasukkan benang dan jahit kain. boleh juga jahit kulit orang bertujuan untuk menyembuh.
bukan untuk cucuk-cucuk orang. kau pakai jarum untuk cucuk orang ke?
Hehehe...teringat lak macam jawapan Belalang2 yang lurus2 bendul tu.
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namesnaw This user has been deleted
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sabar... mari kita berbicang dgn cara terhormat...
PEACE |
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Originally posted by namesnaw at 3-4-2007 07:14 PM
sabar... mari kita berbicang dgn cara terhormat...
PEACE
Hehehe..tak baik ajar mod macam tu. Dia yang patut cakap macam ente ni.
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Originally posted by Gravedigger at 3-4-2007 06:31 PM
Hehehe....yang dah masukkan jarum cop al-ahkam dalam forum ni saper yer?? Siap boleh passing pulak jadi mod.
agaknya yang ini ke?
http://www.al-ahkam.net/home/index.php?name=MDForum&file=viewtopic&t=31467&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60&sid=22349ad0c4c6167b8902f9a9889e76aa
Ibnur wrote
Assalamualaikum,
mod al-ahkam yang dimaksudkan tu dah lama bersara dari menjadi mod CARI forum. Sekarang dah jarang masuk, dan masuk forum pun sebagai forumer, bukan moderator.
syiah di cari.forum tu selalunya ikut mood. kengkadang datang macam tsunami, kadang-kadang bisu macam dilanda todak.
yang aktif sekarang ni anti wahabi.
banyak sangat tiru dan tampal artikel, tak kurang juga yang langgar dan lari.
minta maaf, tak boleh komen banyak-banyak hal di sana dalam al-ahkam. banyak yang memerhati. nanti dia orang bawa modal menghentam utk forum sana pulak.
wassalam. |
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Originally posted by namesnaw at 3-4-2007 07:14 PM
sabar... mari kita berbicang dgn cara terhormat...
PEACE
Betul tu ,tak baik ajar kat tuan Mod macam gitu .Kalau tuan panel al-ahahyetakye.net takpela .Namesnaw boleh la jadi MOD pasni kot .
[ Last edited by sayangpakwahab at 4-4-2007 05:21 PM ] |
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alahai pak wahab... tu pun baru post ke 3 saya kat al-ahkam. tak ada orang layan pun. kat sana pun saya guna nick yang sama, sebab untuk orang macam pakwahab ni nengok mana saya pegi. pak wahab macamana pulak? berapa banyak nick kat internet sampai la ni? |
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Gapodio This user has been deleted
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Assalamualaikum,
Dah lama tak masuk forum kat sini ... so masuk kena bagi salam dulu ..... masih ramai lagi kawan2 lama kat sini. Masih ingat saya ke? .... saya active juga masuk sini dulu2 (1-2 yrs ago). Tinggal forum nie sebab tak tahan tengok sesama mengaku Islam bergaduh cuba mengatakan pegangan masing2lah yang terbaik. Macam nielah saya sarankan kita tukar arah perbincangan. Daripada negetive kepada POSITIVE. Kita bincang macamana nak bersatu dan saling menghormati pegangan masing2. Janganlah cuba nak condemn sesapa selagi mereka/kita yakin apa yang kita pegang adalah dari Quran/Hadith. Kalau dah jelas dan disepakati ulamak yang source tu bukan dari Quran Hadith kita bincangkan secara berhemah..... OK tak? |
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Gapodio This user has been deleted
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Actually I sedih dan letih tengok umat Islam dok bertengkar tak habis2 ...... Marilah kita berbincang utk penyatuan. Singkirkan pertelingkahan pendapat pada perkara ranting dan balek lah kpd Quran/Hadith sebagai rujukan. Kalau masing2 ada hujjah .... ikutlah apa yang kita senangi dan jangan dihina pendapat lain yang juga berlandaskan hujjah/nas. Saya pastekan satu article yang saya rasa relevent to describe current Muslim issues among muslim.
Lets apply it across the 4 Mazhabs as well as shiah Vs Sunni.
Muslim Unity
8 Feb 2006
Khalid
"I gave a lot of thought to the causes of the sorry state of this ummah, during the years of my captivity in Malta," said Sheikh-ul-Hind Maulana Mahmood-ul-Hasan. It was 1920, and at 69, he was not only one of the most distinguished scholars of his time, he also had spent a life time in political activism. His audience was a gathering of ulema, eager to hear the lessons of a life time of study, struggle, and reflection. His conclusion: "Our problems are caused by two factors; abandoning the Qur'an and our in-fighting." He spent the few remaining days of his life addressing these causes.
These reasons are valid even today. They are also related, the second being caused by the first. The Qur'an had declared us one brotherhood and had warned us against in-fighting. We have ignored those teachings and the billion-strong ummah has turned into an ummah fragmented into a billion segments.
A very large number of our internal battles is the result of narrowly defined self-interests. Islam could have been the force that helped us overcome that. Unfortunately, instead of letting it fulfill that role, today we have made even religion provide us with additional and unresolvable points of conflict. We fight over petty issues of fiqh. We fight over fine points of religious interpretation. We turn minor points of religious law into big battlegrounds while most important and fundamental teachings of religion are violated.
We do all this even as this religion has been under attack
from all directions. Thousands of people become apostates every year in Pakistan. Qadianis (who declare Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of Qadian to be a prophet), and munkareen-e-hadith have been busy attracting our new generations to their falsehoods. Haram is being declared as halal. Our masses are ignorant of their religion and easily indulge in customs borrowed from polytheists. On top of all that is the western culture of hedonism, of shamelessness, of moral anarchy, that is invading our societies through film, television, radio, and obscene literature. Corruption of all sorts has permeated all layers of our society. Should not we be reflecting on this and asking ourselves what would the Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, expect of us, the heirs of the prophets? In the hereafter shall we be able to give a sufficient answer by mentioning that we wrote a book on rafa-yadain (the issue of raising hands during certain movements in obligatory prayer)?
Once I saw Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri in a very sad mood. What is the matter, I asked. "I have wasted my whole life," he said. "You have spent your entire life in spreading Islamic teachings.
Thousands of your disciples are themselves ulema who are serving the religion. If that is a waste, what hope can anyone else have?" I insisted. "Look, what has been the main thrust of all our efforts," he replied. "It has been to show why Hanafi school is better than others. Imam Abu Hanifa did not need this. His grandeur did not need our approval. Imam Shafii, Imam Malik, and Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal could not care less about it. All that one can ever prove in these matters is that a certain position is right but has the probability of being wrong and the other position is wrong but has the probability of being right. Moreover, these issues will not be resolved even in the hereafter. For Allah will not humiliate Imam Shafii, Abu Hanifa, Malik, or Ahmed bin Hanbal by showing that they were in error." Then he added: "Today when the roots of Islam are under attack, we have been busy taking care of the leaves."
It is not that debates or disagreements in religious interpretation are themselves evil. Today many western educated Muslims, with scant understanding of their religion do think that way. Some even suggest that we should bury all fiqhi schools and create a new one. This is neither possible nor desirable. Differences of opinion are inevitable wherever people have both intellect and honesty. Complete consensus on every issue is possible only when either everyone is dumb, so they cannot think of a different idea, or they are dishonest so they willingly agree with a position that they consider wrong. After all religious interpretations are not personal rights that can be sacrificed away.
The problem occurs when we overstate these differences. There were differences of opinion in fiqh among the Companions, their followers, and great Mujahideen. But they did not turn these into fights. They disagreed but they maintained respect and love for each other. The brotherhood remained intact. They had tolerance for the other view.
How can we have tolerance for something we know is wrong? Of course we cannot have any tolerance for anything clearly established as wrong by Qur'an or Hadith. We can never show accommodation for apostasy. We can never agree on changing the Shariah's established definitions of halal and haram. But beyond this there are issues about which Qur'an and Sunnah are silent or are subject to more than one interpretation. Here the mujahideen deduce the intent of Qur'an and Sunnah based on their best ability. Here disagreements are possible. As long as those involved are qualified mujahideen (like the four respected imams), their differing views have to be respected. We can follow only one opinion, and we should try and determine the one closest to the intent of the Shariah, but we cannot declare opposing views as evil. We exaggerate when we deal with people holding valid opposing views as if they were outside the bounds of Islam.
Overstatement (ghuloo) is the main cause of most fights involving our religious groups. It also happens with Islamic organizations. Most are doing useful work in the areas they chose based on their abilities and inclinations. Had they developed a spirit of cooperation and considered their differences as just a natural division of labor, together they could have become a formidable force. Unfortunately each one of them considers their work and methodology as the only methodology for Islamic work. If a person leaves one of these organizations to join another, he is treated as if he had recanted his faith. This is ghuloo. It produces the tribalism of jahiliya (the pre-Islamic period of ignorance) among religious workers.
Pious people are not extinct today. What we sorely need is the reformers who can rise above their narrow perspectives and heed the universal and unifying call of Islam.
[Adapted from two talks of Mufti Muhammad Shafi, the late grand Mufti of Pakistan, given in 1963.] |
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Hehehe...dah lamo den koba kan. Sorang mati ado pulo yang lain ganti. |
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Post time 3-4-2007 12:21 AM
Post time 3-4-2007 08:49 AM
