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TAKDIR [merged] hird, sedondon, kuman

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Post time 16-8-2006 11:46 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Bateesta at 16-8-2006 10:57 PM


Thread mana yg beku bro , thread yg ni ke , atau the other 1 ?


The other 1.
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... mp;highlight=takdir

Salam
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Post time 17-8-2006 12:04 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by M5 at 16-8-2006 11:46 PM


The other 1.
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... mp;highlight=takdir

Salam


Thread yg Bateesta link kan tu, thread ni lah M5

Itu Bateesta postkan semasa sedondon buka satu thread baru (i.e start dgn post #108), jadi dimerge kan dengan thread yg asal ni ha. Sebab tu bila M5 buka link yg Bateesta post kan tu, M5 tak dapat masuk, sebab reference number thread dah berubah bila thread di mergekan.

Kena letak disclaimer ni :hmm:
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Post time 17-8-2006 01:14 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by antiQue at 17-8-2006 12:04 AM


Thread yg Bateesta link kan tu, thread ni lah M5

Itu Bateesta postkan semasa sedondon buka satu thread baru (i.e start dgn post #108), jadi dimerge kan dengan thread yg asal ni ha. Sebab  ...


Opps, I did it again.  Sorry :tq:
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Post time 17-8-2006 01:52 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Bateesta at 17-8-2006 01:35 AM
Hehe , so , kau nak diskas dlam thread ni ke m5 , or in the other thread :cak:

Ps: konpiyus gak bnda ni ya..hehe


Mana-mana pun aiman tak kisah.  It's your call.  Aku ikut aje.
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Post time 6-9-2006 09:02 AM | Show all posts

Pertanyaan..Perkara-perkara yang telah dijamin?

Pertanyaan..Perkara-perkara yang telah dijamin?

Ada sesiapa yang tahu tak tentang satu hadist nabi berkaitan beberapa perkara yang telah dijamin,

1. Rezeki
2. Jodoh
3. Maut
4. No 4..dan seterusnya apa..?

Siapa ada simpan hadist ini minta dipastekan disini

Terima-kasih
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Post time 6-9-2006 09:19 AM | Show all posts
Hmm... saya pun tak pasti pasal hadis nih. Ade pernah dengar. Tapi dah ingat2 lupa. Nanti saya try cari balik..... member yg lain camna ?
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Post time 6-9-2006 09:24 AM | Show all posts
JODOH tak ada dalam senarai.

Sahih Muslim Book 033, Number 6390:

Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) who is the most truthful (of the human beings) and his being truthful (is a fact) said: Verily your creation is on this wise. The constituents of one of you are collected for forty days in his mother's womb in the form of blood, after which it becomes a clot of blood in another period of forty days. Then it becomes a lump of flesh and forty days later Allah sends His angel to it with instructions concerning four things, so the angel writes down his livelihood, his death, his deeds, his fortune and misfortune. By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise.

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Post time 6-9-2006 09:26 AM | Show all posts
letak lak dalam Bahasa Melayu :

Hadis Abdullah bin Mas'ud r.a katanya:
Rasulullah s.a.w seorang yang benar serta dipercayai bersabda: Kejadian seseorang itu dikumpulkan di dalam perut ibunya selama empat puluh hari. Sebaik sahaja genap empat puluh hari kali kedua terbentuklah segumpal darah beku. Manakala genap empat puluh hari kali ketiga bertukar pula menjadi seketul daging. Kemudian Allah s.w.t mengutuskan malaikat untuk meniupkan roh serta memerintahkan supaya menulis empat perkara iaitu ditentukan rezeki, tempoh kematian, amalan serta nasibnya samada mendapat kecelakaan atau kebahagiaan. Maha suci Allah s.w.t di mana tiada tuhan selain-Nya. Seandainya seseorang itu melakukan amalan sebagaimana yang dilakukan oleh penghuni Syurga sehinggalah kehidupannya hanya tinggal sehasta dari tempoh kematiannya, tetapi disebabkan ketentuan takdir nescaya dia akan bertukar dengan melakukan amalan sebagaimana yang dilakukan oleh penghuni Neraka sehinggalah dia memasukinya. Begitu juga dengan mereka yang melakukan amalan ahli Neraka, tetapi disebabkan oleh ketentuan takdir nescaya dia akan bertukar dengan melakukan amalan sebagaimana yang dilakukan oleh penghuni Syurga sehinggalah dia memasukinya.
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Post time 6-9-2006 09:32 AM | Show all posts
Hadith-hadith lain dari Sahih Muslim tentang ini :

Hudhaifa b. Usaid reported directly from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that lie said: When the drop of (semen) remains in the womb for forty or fifty (days) or forty nights, the angel comes and says: My Lord, will he be good or evil? And both these things would be written. Then the angel says: My Lord, would he be male or female? And both these things are written. And his deeds and actions, his death, his livelihood; these are also recorded. Then his document of destiny is rolled and there is no, addition to and subtraction from it. (33:6392)

'Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported: Evil one is he who is evil in the womb of his mother and the good one is he who takes lesson from the (fate of) others. The narrator came to a person from amongst the Companion of Allah's Me ssenger (may peace be upon him) who was called Hudhaifa b. Usaid Ghifari and said: How can a person be an evil one without (cornmittilng an evil) deed? Thereupon the person said to him: You are surprised at this, whereas I have heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saving: When forty nights pass after the semen gets into the womb, Allah sends the angel and gives him the shape. Then he creates his sense of hearing, sense of sight, his skin, his flesh, his bones, and then says: My Lord, would he be male or female? And your Lord decides as He desires and the angel then puts down that also and then says: My Lord, what about his age? And your Lord decides as He likes it and the angel puts it down. Then he says: My Lord, what about his livelihood? And then the Lord decides as He likes and the angel writes it down, and then the angel gets out with his scroll of destiny in his hand and nothing is added to it and nothing is subtracted (33:6393)

Abu Tufail reported: I visited Abu Sariha Hudhaifa b. Usaid al-Ghifari who said: I listened with these two ears of mine Allahs Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The semen stays in the womb for forty nights, then the angel, gives it a shape. Zubair said: I think that he said: One who fashions that and decides whether he would be male or female. Then he (the angel) says: Would his limbs be full or imperfect? And then the Lord makes thein full and perfect or otherwise as He desires. Then he says: My Lord, what about his livelihood, and his death and what about his disposition? And then the Lord decides about his misfortune and fortune. (33:6395)

Anas b. Malik reported directly from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that he said: Allah, the Exlated and Glorious, has appointed an angel as the caretaker of the womb, and he would say: My Lord, it is now a drop of semen; my Lord, It is now a clot of blood; my Lord, it has now become a lump of flesh, and when Allah decides to give it a final shape, the angel says: My Lord, would it be male or female or would he be an evil or a good person? What about his livelihood and his age? And it is all written as he is in the womb of his mother. (33:6397)
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Post time 6-9-2006 09:43 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by antiQue at 6-9-2006 09:32 AM
Hadith-hadith lain dari Sahih Muslim tentang ini :

Hudhaifa b. Usaid reported directly from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that lie said: When the drop of (semen) remains in the womb  ...


Errr..... bleh bg yg melayunya tak ? hehehe......
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Post time 6-9-2006 09:53 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by winamp05 at 6-9-2006 09:43 AM


Errr..... bleh bg yg melayunya tak ? hehehe......


Hmm... berat ni... rujukan saya yg mudah nak dapat in English... saya tak berani nak terjemah sendiri... kalo yg Melayu ni kena lah saya selak hardcopy :lol

Nanti... kena take time... saya akan merge kan thread ni dengan thread takdir.. tengok kalau ada yg Malay yg dah di paste dalam tu..

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Post time 6-9-2006 09:57 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by antiQue at 6-9-2006 09:53 AM


Hmm... berat ni... rujukan saya yg mudah nak dapat in English... saya tak berani nak terjemah sendiri... kalo yg Melayu ni kena lah saya selak hardcopy :lol

Nanti... kena take time... saya a ...


Xpe la kalo camtu. Nanti saya selak kamus.... :nyorok: huhuhu
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Post time 6-9-2006 10:02 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by winamp05 at 6-9-2006 09:57 AM


Xpe la kalo camtu. Nanti saya selak kamus.... :nyorok: huhuhu


Saya dah merge kan thread ni, selak page awal-awal, kalau-kalau dah ada yg paste hadith-hadith ni in Malay.

In the meantime, saya try carik terjemahan in Malay.
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Post time 6-9-2006 10:11 AM | Show all posts
Satu lagi thread tentang Takdir ni ada dalam sub board i.e thread :

http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... page%3D1&page=1

Tapi jangan kacau sangat thread ni, let Bateesta dan M5 habis berdiskusi dulu. Apa-apa buat saja kat dalam thread kat main board ni.
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Post time 6-9-2006 01:20 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by antiQue at 6-9-2006 10:11 AM
Satu lagi thread tentang Takdir ni ada dalam sub board i.e thread :

http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... page%3D1&page=1

Tapi jangan kacau sangat thread ni, let Ba ...


Perbicangan mereka ini seperti tak nampak hala tuju, pening membacanya..
Ada sesiapa disini yang tahu siapa sebenarnya M5?
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Post time 6-9-2006 02:08 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Bateesta at 6-9-2006 02:04 PM

Yg ni ke..

Note : Ketiga2 hadis di ayas ialah riwayat bukhari dan muslim


Actually winamp mintak saya terjemahkan hadith yg saya beri dalam post #122.  Hadith-hadith yg saya paste tu in English.
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Post time 6-9-2006 02:14 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Bateesta at 6-9-2006 02:11 PM


I c , sori aa mnyampuk , hehe


Nope.. you tak menyampuk. Thanks Bateesta, you've given the Malay version of the hadith by Hudzaifa

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Post time 6-9-2006 03:35 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Bateesta at 6-9-2006 02:04 PM

Yg ni ke..
Note : Ketiga2 hadis di ayas ialah riwayat bukhari dan muslim


Jazakallahhukhair..bateesta,

Bab takdir ini saya tak berani nak campur berbincang. Cukuplah sekadar mendengar dan membaca, dan beriman sepertimana yang dikehendaki oleh Allah dan Rasul.
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Post time 6-9-2006 04:09 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by antiQue at 6-9-2006 02:08 PM


Actually winamp mintak saya terjemahkan hadith yg saya beri dalam post #122.  Hadith-hadith yg saya paste tu in English.


Tak mengapa lah........ saya pun sedang membaca hadis yg batesta bg tu. Takyah la susah-susah sangat. bukannya suma saya tak paham. mana yg tak tau tu saya buka kamus je la .... hehehehe.... tu la dudlu2 masa mak bapak suh blaja bahasa inggeris, saya lari........ pg masuk skolah arab. kan skang dah xpandai baca bahasa omputeh. hehehehe. Apa2 pun thanks untuk suma yg sudi menolong.....
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Post time 14-9-2006 05:59 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by StoneCold at 8-6-2004 01:39 AM
Kemudian Allah s.w.t mengutuskan malaikat untuk meniupkan roh serta memerintahkan supaya menulirs empat perkara iaitu ditentukan rezeki, tempoh kematian, amalan serta nasibnya samada mendapat kecel ...


Kalau dh ditentukan org tu dh masuk neraka sejak azali lg....naya lah dia, buat segala ibadat tp kerana takdir yg telah ditetapkan sblm lahir.... last2 masuk neraka. Bagaimana dengan konsep Allah itu maha Adil, Maha Penyayang... kalu dibaca hadith tersebut seolah2 allah pilih kasih... Allah hya pilih org tertentu ajer  masuk syurga walaupun org lain beruaha juga nk masuk syurga....

I'm confuse.. sbb i ada baca mudahnyer org pompuan nk masuk syurga hya dgn meninggalkan larangan dan menjalankan suruhan agama dan menghormati suami, dengar mcm senang ajer nk masuk syurga...seolah2  kita sendiri yg pilih jln ke syurga dan neraka, tp kalu mcm ni macam mana???

Tolong clarify... sbb ada org lain pun pernah cakap benda ni kt alang sblm ni.... I org islam pun rasa confuse...
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