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Dr Mahathir Letak Jawatan Pengerusi Proton
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ya lor. i tau la bro. but then apa dibuat lepas tu?
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apa yang letih? dua dua ada protection. true. tapi skarang berapa jauh dia lari sprint? tak nampak kaitan?
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It is fine with bang kalau u tak mau support proton
kalau hangpa nak kempen bungkuskan proton pun tak apa
tak jadi kuman pun
itu hak hang
but get ur facts right la tu saja
kalau proton ni langsung tak profit langsung takdak improvement
u will get zero in their bank account and u will only see they selling proton saga first model saja sampai hari ini
from proton saga first model sehingga ke preve, suprima, iris u masih nak kata proton langsung takda pembaharuan ?
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kita protect sampai 2004 saja bro
start 2005 mana ada protection lagi dah
hang mai mana ni ? 
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bro i rasa u salah faham. aku tak cakap pun tak support proton. aku cakap tun m ade ke takde tak bawak apa apa kesan. dan proton banyak kena ubah. proton mmg improve dari 3 model. iriz, suprima, preve. sebab tu aku cakap bwh syed zainal banyak perubahan. skarang kita tgk features ye. safety bagus, memang ada test ancap. compare to perodua myvi, axia. betul lain segmen tapi pembeli kereta ni tak faham segmen segmen ni. u cakap la sampai berbuih pun.
why proton suffer? ni pendapat aku. sebelum 3 model ni u pun tau berapa banyak masalah dengan model proton yang sebelum. cerita power window tu berzaman bro tapi efek sampai ke harini. orang buat lawak pasal isu tu berzaman. kepercayaan orang tu berubah. belum kira kereta buat bunyi macam macam sebelum habis bayar loan yang nauzubillah sampai 9 tahun pun ada.
aku tak nafikan bab protection tu menyumbang tapi nak kata itu satu satunya sebab tak betul bro.....hakikat kena terima.
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wajevo replied at 1-4-2016 08:33 AM
Tapi still company kroni mahathir yang pegang. Lainlah kalau proton under khazanah macam dulu. Sye ...
sonkena sokong perodua dan benci proton sebab perodua bukan mahader punya kununya
jahahah |
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aku nak tgk, pas tun tender ni, proton shows improvement ke tak. |
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peynoTheLegend replied at 1-4-2016 05:17 PM
sonkena sokong perodua dan benci proton sebab perodua bukan mahader punya kununya
jahahah
Semua kereta di msia ni harga tinggi, kualiti rendah macam kereta perodua. Kereta tin melo. Harap enjin aje ok sebab jepun yang design. |
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Edited by cabalero at 1-4-2016 05:30 PM
it's ok kalau nak kritik atau personal certain qualities of proton car in fact to me please do so
so that things can be improved
dan ketika tun baru pegang chairman pun he admits to that and have started to improve on the quality of the cars
sebelum ni hanya sebuah dari 40 kereta yang diuji kualiti sebaik keluar dari kilang kini setiap kereta akan diuji sehabis baik sebelum dilulus utk dijual
both Tun and the CEO kata they're willing to put aside the pride and doing anything they can to revive proton
Dr Mahathir says part of that problem was its own doing. One example is the Preve, where the car was launched before the car was fully ready, resulting in a litany of complaints from buyers. He feels that sales of the Iriz is also affected by perception even though the car is packed with safety and electronic features comparable with what other manufacturers are installing in their cars.
But that Proton says is the past as the company is taking such issues much more seriously. Dr Mahathir, who is very much hands on with the Proton, says there are quality stations today where the car is checked throughout the assembly process at many intervals. If parts or assembly doesn’t meet quality standards, it’s sent back for rectifying.
In the past, just one out of 40 cars were tested once it was out of the assembly plant. Today, all cars are tested and driven to check on the quality of the finished product.
dan proton kini pun dah mula buat collabaration dgn suzuki
"Proton and Suzuki proposed its strategic collaboration and partnership with Suzuki last month where the deal would encompass four main areas, which are products, technology, people and market.
The collaboration would allow Proton to gain access to the models, platforms, power train and automotive technology of Suzuki."
full article
National car company at its lowest ebb, looks to Suzuki for change in fortune
NEXT Tuesday, Proton will be 30 years old. For most car makers, it’s a day of celebration, signifying progress made during its time in existence.
For Proton, it will be that but also a lot of reflection. Part of it will look at how Proton has produced 4 million cars but at the same time, production has been languishing way below its optimum capacity.
It will look at the successes it has had with some models and the failures of others.
But more importantly, for chairman Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad and CEO Datuk Abdul Harith Abdullah, it’s about the future of the struggling national car company.
“It’s been a difficult journey for us. It’s been rocky and smooth at different times,” says Harith.
The disparate fortunes of Proton of the past has brought the company to almost its lowest ebb in its three-decade history.
Having lost its number one rank to rival Perodua, Proton’s market share of the auto industry has steadily slipped to about 17% of the industry, a pale shadow of its past when one of every two cars sold was a Proton.
Sales have slipped so much that in April, Proton for the first time found itself ranked fourth in the best seller list, trailing behind Perodua, Toyota and Honda. It jumped back to its second position in May after the hiccups of the GST implementation was smoothen out.
Both Dr Mahathir and Harith did not point figures at others for the predicament Proton is in. Yes, there could be have been more help from the Government and the National Automotive Policy could have been more favourable to allow Proton to beef up its business before allowing competition to flourish.
But both chairman and CEO says help starts with itself, and Dr Mahathir is cognisant of its problems.
“Currently, we are not doing so well, for various reasons. But that is what normally happens to automotive companies. Even the biggest automotive companies go through a period of downturn, then they will recover,” he says.
The recovery plan has been drawn up and the collaboration it will enter into with Suzuki is a big part of that. The dealer network will be streamlined by the end of the year and vendors will need better financial strength. Proton will also introduce three new models next year.
Dealing with perception
One of the biggest problems Proton is grappling with is perception. The quality of the cars it makes is questioned by many these days to a point the company is painfully aware of making sure that does not become the talking point with the new models it will launch.
“People don’t forget. Bad things they don’t forget. Good things they forget,” says Dr Mahathir.
“This perception is the problem. I don’t know what else to do. We give good car, good price. Better car than other cars.”
Dr Mahathir says part of that problem was its own doing. One example is the Preve, where the car was launched before the car was fully ready, resulting in a litany of complaints from buyers. He feels that sales of the Iriz is also affected by perception even though the car is packed with safety and electronic features comparable with what other manufacturers are installing in their cars.
But that Proton says is the past as the company is taking such issues much more seriously. Dr Mahathir, who is very much hands on with the Proton, says there are quality stations today where the car is checked throughout the assembly process at many intervals. If parts or assembly doesn’t meet quality standards, it’s sent back for rectifying.
In the past, just one out of 40 cars were tested once it was out of the assembly plant. Today, all cars are tested and driven to check on the quality of the finished product.
Getting quality up to mark is important for Proton given the three new models it will launch next year.
The first will be the new Perdana that will be sold to the public. “We will have a lot of new models next year, up to three,” says Harith.
Filling up capacity
The new models in just part of Proton’s plans to increase production capacity. The company produced around 120,000 cars last year but capacity at its plants in Shah Alam and Tanjung Malim is 370,000 units.
“We need to fill that up otherwise cost will become very high,” says Harith.
“Filling up our current capacity in the next 3-5 years is a must. The total number people directly related to Proton is 77,000. We have to do everything within our ability to be successful.”
Proton is banking on the new models to be sales winners that can boost production, and profitability. But it’s also aware that the best sales year it ever had was around 250,000 cars that won’t be enough to fill up its capacity.
That where the collaboration with Suzuki comes in. The idea is for between 60,000 and 100,000 Suzuki cars to be manufactured by Proton, and exports will be part of that deal. Proton is looking at increasing exports of its cars to South-East Asia.
Proton and Suzuki proposed its strategic collaboration and partnership with Suzuki last month where the deal would encompass four main areas, which are products, technology, people and market.
The collaboration would allow Proton to gain access to the models, platforms, power train and automotive technology of Suzuki.
“Suzuki is not small. They produce 3 million cars a year and have been number three in Japan for seven consecutive years, after Toyota and Honda. They have chosen a different path, going into developing countries instead of developed countries. They are big in India producing 1.2 million cars and 800,000 cars in Japan,” says Harith.
“To be successful, you must have a high level of cost effectiveness and this is what we want to learn. This is part of the journey for Proton to decide where it wants to be.”
The decision to find a strategic collaboration partner is also a necessity for Proton as it was during its partnership with Mitsubishi that it found its greatest success.
It was hugely profitable during that time but decided to veer away from that business model to venture on its own, designing and producing its own cars.
But going solo has not brought riches to Proton and seeing how rival Perodua has flourished with its collaboration with Daihatsu made Proton realise that having a partner is important in future business plan.
Proton will however chart its own course in parallel with its deal with Suzuki. It will still design and make its own cars and have a range of cars that its will produce with Suzuki. Suzuki will assist in building a small car for Proton that it can use to penetrate and snatch market share from Perodua.
But Proton is aware that will take time, if it can do so. There is no chest thumping declarations of overtaking Perodua, as Harith says that just having the same 30% market share as Perodua is success enough.
“Put pride aside. That can come later,” he says. The collaboration is seen to also help rebuild customer confidence in Proton.
Dealing with its financials
Proton’s 30 years has seen the company develop a huge domestic eco-system for the auto industry. In the past 20 years, it says investments have totalled RM20bil and has grown the dealer and vendor network in the country.
But its poor sales have brought cracks to some parts of its linkages with the industry that it needs to fix.
The first is the dealer network. Harith says there are around 400 dealers right now and Proton really needs about half of that.
Furthermore, it wants its dealers to modernise and establish more 3S centres that not only sell cars but stock spare parts and services its automobiles.
What it wants most out of its dealers and vendors is financial independence.
“We have 400 dealers and that doesn’t work. There are no economies of scale for the system to work. There are even problems within the vendor system. In order for Proton to compete, our supply system has to meet the highest requirements,” he says.
“Dealers must have money to buy the cars from Proton. We are not a bank and we can’t loan you the money to sell our cars. We have to focus on model development and these two years we are spending RM2bil on model development.”
Cash is tight at Proton as the company isn’t really concentrating on making a profit now. Cashflow is more important than the bottomline at the moment and Harith says Proton has enough cash coming in to run its own business and develop its own cars.
“Obviously you cannot depart from making a profit. Today, cash is king and the most important thing is cash instead of profit. It’s about survival.
“For shareholders, it is about the long-term business sustainability.” There is no issue about losing money today when there is long-term viability, he says.
What is hurting also is the business environment.
Manufacturers are engaged in heavy discounting of cars to move stock plus bank approvals for auto loans is not helping Proton as about four out of 10 loans are approved by financial institutions.
The weak ringgit has hit its vendors as 50% of its suppliers are exposed to the US dollar.
Harith doesn’t mince his words about the challenges ahead for Proton. What it has now is a partner and new cars to introduce.
“Now its about executing our plans. Time is not with us. We should have done this five years ago,” he says.
http://www.thestar.com.my/busine ... fight-for-survival/
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selagi ada National Car Policy mcmn nak turun. tax protection gila2 utk selamatkan proton sejak 30 tahun. Tun mintak 1 billion dari kerajaan utk bail out proton tapi najib x layan. ngamuk la org tua tu brain child dia tu...
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it's not a bail out
Proton Holdings Bhd is seeking reimbursement from the government for the amount it has spent on research and development (R&D) to produce new cars, The Star reports. “We have asked the government to reimburse some of the money we invested on R&D projects,” [color=#9900 !important]chairman Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad told reporters after launching Proton’s “Drive for Gaza” fund-raiser, a campaign aimed at helping victims in the Palestine-Israeli conflict. “This is a normal practice in the car industry, where incentives are given to carmakers for development of new technology,” he said, citing South Korea as an example.
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kalau boleh sokong kedua-duanya dan apa saja industri produk buatan kita
bukan banyak sangat pun industri kita yang medium and big scale ni
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laki akak tak pernah pakai kereta malaysia.semua import.bila kahwin dgn akak baru belajar pakai kereta tempatan.so akak dari zaman model yg pertama, perdana, waja, pesona semua dah pakai.perodua dari zaman version tin milo yg pertama samapai la ni viva ,mybi.satu je nape akak support proton.sebab setiap kereta yg dikeluarkan ramai je staf engineer, yg bekerja tu rakyat malaysia.beribu-ribu orang.akak tak mampu tolong negara selain bayar tax.akak tolong cara support produk tempatan.mana lah tau jika produk tempatan laku , akak berjihad bangunkan ekonomi rakyat malaysia jugak jika proton atau perodua bayar tax banyak setiap tahun.. |
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so akak support industri tempatan.contoh rakyat china,india, japan, korea.mereka bangga pakai kereta buatan rakyat depa.so nape kita nak lungkupkan proton ?itu namanya kita tabur pasir kat periuk nasi staf depa.bila lungkup ramai mengangur.ramai takleh bayar loan rumah,kereta,ptpn, bagi makpak n anak makan.bila berlaku lagu tu kita hancurkan negara sendiri bila ramai tak mampu bayar tax n loan ptpn,mara, bank rakyat.ramai rumah kena tarik, dilelong.macam tu jugalah akak guna minyak petronas walau banayk minyak import brand canggih.akak berpegang kalau kita nak berjihad.jihad tolong bangsa n negara sendiri by majukan produk tempatan. |
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reimburse some of the money tak payah bayar balik... 1 billion tu Tun mintak.. sesuka hati dia jer nak jaga brain child dia. 30 tahun dah protection.. bila la nak berdikari.
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Tun mintak kerajaan serahkan cash 1.7 billion kpd proton walhal proton sudah jadi milik swasta.
Actually, Tun M lied that he did not want anything from the government. As the Chairman of Proton, he had wanted RM1.7 billion in free govt grants for Proton as well as repeatedly in the past few months he has asked for more protection for Proton - which would have meant higher car prices for all.
Firstly, govt can no longer protect Proton as the Rakyat has suffered greatly to the tune of RM300 billion over the 30 years of this Proton experiment - and plus govt had put it in their GE13 manifesto to reduce car prices by 30% by the year 2018.
Also, govt can't simply give billions to Proton nowadays as Proton is no longer government owned by is now a private company under DRB-Hicom. |
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In the case of Proton, the company was built on the backs of the Rakyat suffering from high car prices due to high duties and taxes. Besides the human lives costs that was incurred if Malaysian had been able to afford safer cars in the past, it is estimated the actual losses from the Rakyat in terms of financial costs is estimated at upwards of RM300 billion - not inclusive of higher interest charges arising from financing a higher amount than necessary.
Again, this is money that will never be recovered.
Now what Proton's sales have plummeted in recent years due to stronger competition from cheaper car prices as a result of Najib's policies, Proton is now needing free money from the government - up to RM2 billion, which Najib has so far refused to give despite Mahathir being made the Chairman in April 2014.
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http://paultan.org/2014/07/21/pr ... on-funding-reports/
senang2 mahadey mahu mintak 1.7 billion tanpa perlu bayar balik.
It has been reported that national carmaker Proton has applied for financial support from the government – the company has submitted a request for a RM1.7 billion grant from the Economic Council (EC), which is chaired by Prime Minister Datuk Sri Najib Razak, according to reports from The Edge and The Star. |
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najib tak mau bagi RM1.7 billion kpd proton antara sebab nafsu AMARAH Tun membuak2
October 21, 2013- Mahathir’s Son Mukhriz Loses UMNO Bid to Najib’s Cousin
October 29, 2013 Mahahir accuses Najib’s allies of buying votes in October UMNO polls
and here: Money politics, going into the millions, still afflicts Umno, says Dr Mahathir
October 30, 2013- Dr M wrong about money politics in Umno, say supreme council members
December 2, 2013 - Dr Mahathir steps down from Petronas post on the excuse of ill-health (even though a few months later you went on to become Proton Chairman
December 4, 2013 - Mokzaini Mahathir quits as Execuive Director of SapuraKencana becomes non-Executive Director.
January 9, 2014 - MTEM calls Petronas CEO names for purported mistreatment of Dr M
February 19, 2014 - Mokzaini sells 190.3 million shares in SapuraKencana amounting to RM818.3 million - substantially reducing stake
May 21, 2014- Dr M confirms appointment as Proton chairman
July 21 2014 - Proton requesting RM1.7 billion in funding (not approved)
Aug 18 2014 - Dr Mahathir withdraws support for Najib government
March 4th 2015- Mokhzani fully resigns from SapuraKencana Petroleum
March 13 2015 - Mahathir launches full-scale attack on 1MDB, Najib and family.
April 4, 2015 - Mahathir Calls on Prime Minister Najib Razak to Resign
June 26, 2015 - Najib delays Umno election by 18 months
July 2, 2015 - WSJ exposes RM2.6b in Najib's accounts
February 06, 2016 - Mukhriz Mahathir forced to step down as Kedah Menteri Besar
February 29, 2016 - Mahathir quits UMNO, Again
March 4, 2016 - Mahathir and opposition sign declaration to oust Najib and "Save Malaysia" |
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Tun banyak mempolitikkan proton untuk kepentingan sendiri Dan kroni. Itu pasal problem.
Dia sanggup kondem model proton seperti preve secara public just pasal dia tak suka syed zainal. Proton jugak yang busuk nama. Kununnya nak tunjuk bila proton under Drb (kroni dia) proton dah berlainan Dan maju. Malangnya model yang bagus macam iriz pun orang tak hingin.
Orang masih sanggup beli saga Dan persona lagi.
Harap proton diletak balik bawah khazanah Dan letak pengurusan yang jujur dan ikhlas. |
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Post time 1-4-2016 04:34 PM
