The Deity of Jesus Christ (Ketuhanan Yesus Kristus)

Shwein1990 · Post time 10-3-2008 05:37 PM

In what sense do i looked angry?? For your information, i used "red" is to let you see or read easily. Please do not misunderstood.

No, i have a FEW translations, which are KJV, NIV, NLT, and a chinese version Bible.

"(which is not accepted by Protestant)(Which is arguable as a corrupted version or translations??)?????" what do you mean?? You mean the Bible that RC churches use? nowadys RC church uses the same Bible as we do. I do not know much about RC church. There is no corrupted version or translations in Bible, except JW's n mormons' one. (well, only this 2 denominations i knew were corrupted)

Alright, i'll make it simple, I USE BIBLES WHICH ARE GLOBALLY ACCEPTED.

"Who said I just waiting.. don't you think that I have other resources.. heh.. what a naive.. I don't need to show you how much I know... tong kosong berbunyi kuat sebab dia kosong... padi menunduk sebab isinya penuh... "

I never said you do not have any other resources, and i dont need to know how much you know. I AM SIMPLY NOT INTERESTED.

"That's what it's called NAIVE..hampeh

Malas nak gaduh-gaduh.. aku pendekkan cerita... "

How NAIVE was that?? cant believe it, it is still an issue.... nvm
And im here not to argue.

1st question:
huh?? i dont really understand why should i answer this.

2nd question:
Give me time please, i'll answer it soon.

Shwein1990 · Post time 10-3-2008 08:33 PM

Check out my new thread "Names, Character, Characteristics of God". Please inform me if i lacked any sifat-sifat.

wattttb · Post time 11-3-2008 02:13 AM

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE 揟HE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE擺/color]

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 10-3-2008 09:27 AM
Wow, versions and translations are DIFFERENT!!! KJV, NLT, NKJV are different TRANSLATIONS, English Bible, Chinese Bible, French, japanese...etc.... are different versions. THATS ALL!! FULL-STOP
...

Dear alhaj72,

It look like that you did not understand THE BIBLE, THE WORD THAT SPOKEN BY JESUS ARE SPIRIT AND ALIVE.

May be I have to repeat THE WORD OF GOD AGAIN.

揊ROM THE FATHER, I WILL SEND YOU THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WHO COMES FROM THE FATHER. WHEN THIS HELPER COMES, HE WILL BE MY WITNESS, AND YOU TOO, WILL BE MY WITNESS FOR YOU HAVE BEEN WITH ME FROM THE BEGINNING擺/size] ( JOHN 15:26-27)

揥HEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH COMES, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO THE WHOLE TRUTH.擺/size] (JOHN16:13)

alhaj72 · Post time 11-3-2008 04:34 PM

John 3:6 - That WHICH IS BORN OF THE FLESH IS FLESH; AND THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.

What is born as human is human.. what is born as animal is animal..

wattttb · Post time 11-3-2008 06:22 PM

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE IAM TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE.

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 11-3-2008 04:34 PM
John 3:6 - That WHICH IS BORN OF THE FLESH IS FLESH; AND THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.

Dear Alhaj72,

You are very good with your own idea.....as you said "What is born as human is human.. what is born as animal is animal.." well, this is your own words and nothing to do with JESUS.

MAY GOD BLESS ALL

AMEN

FROM WATT

alhaj72 · Post time 11-3-2008 06:33 PM

Thank You Watt

I just wrote the the FACT...

WATT.. I nak tanya you lah.. you all orang M'sia or not?

wattttb · Post time 11-3-2008 07:10 PM

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE IAM TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE.

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 11-3-2008 06:33 PM
Thank You Watt

I just wrote the the FACT...

WATT.. I nak tanya you lah.. you all orang M'sia or not?

I believe we are all MALAYSIAN... Hey Di dunia ini, tiada yang SEAMAN_ AMAN NEGARA KITA YANG TERCINTA......."MALAYSIA." OLEH KERANA BERKAT TUHAN YANG MAHA ESA....

KITA DAPAT MELIHAT "MALAYSIA" SEBUAH NEGARA YANG BERBILANG BANGSA...BERBILANG KAUM....BERBILANG UGAMA....NEGARA YANG PENUH DENGAN ADAT RESAM.....BERSOMPAN SANTUN.

MATA DUNIA KINI TERBUKA.... DAN TERTANYA-TANYA....DAN MENGATA-NGATA

"BETAPA BAHAGIA SEMUA RAKYAT MALAYSIA, BERTAPA BAHAGIA NYA KALAU SAYA DI LAHIRKAN DI MALAYSIA"

SEMOGA KITA SENTIASA MELIHAT KURNIA CINTA KASIH DARI TUHAN UNTUK KITA SELAMA-LAMANYA.

MAY GOD BLESS

AMEN

FROM WATT

alhaj72 · Post time 11-3-2008 08:24 PM

Baguslah kau punya bahasa.. are you Malay?

wattttb · Post time 12-3-2008 11:43 AM

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE IAM TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE.

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 11-3-2008 08:24 PM
Baguslah kau punya bahasa.. are you Malay?

Dear Alhaj72, thank for your praise....May GOD BLESS YOU AND YOU FAMILY AND YOUR FRINDS TOO.

Saya adalah adalah dari Genesi ORANG ASAL...orang tempatan. Kebanyakan CHRISTIAN adalah orang tempatan. Bukan MELAYU. Mereka yang tinggal di kawasan pinggiran ( Berdekatan dengan laut) adalah orang - orang Melayu dan bukan orang tempatan.

MAY GOD BLESS

AMEN

FROM WATT

orangbesi · Post time 13-3-2008 11:33 AM

salam

sama je
kalau org melayu asal luar pendatang ke
masih lagi bertuhankan

tapi yg:
That WHICH IS BORN OF THE FLESH IS FLESH; AND THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.
kalau diteliti dan direnung
sama cam AYAT TUHAN gak dlm AL QURAN
sama jeeee

shalom · Post time 13-3-2008 08:49 PM

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 8-3-2008 02:03 PM
Berbeza dengan Bible.... saya ulangi semula... berbeza dengan Bible yang telah banyak kali mengalami perubahan.. demi perubahan... demi perubahan... yang dibuat oleh manusia... saya ulangi.. MANUSIA.. (Bersifat lemah)

Ini yang membezakan Kristian dari Islam. Orang Kristian, seperti yang diajar oleh Yesus tidak percaya kepada konsep korup-korup Kitab , sepertimana yang diajar oleh Islam.

Bagi Kristian, Kitab Perjanjian Baru (NT) adalah penggenap kepada Kitab Perjanjian Lama (OT) yang terdiri daripada mazmur, Taurat dan Kitab-Kitab Nabi.

Tiada manusia, mahupun setan yang boleh merubah kitab tuhan.

Menurut Yesus, langit dan bumi akan berlalu, tetapi firmanku tetap akan kekal selamanya..

Berkenaan isu Bible versi-versi itu, dah dijelaskan beratus sekali di forum cc ini, bahawa ia melibatikan terjemahan bible ke dalam bahasa english...Bukannya dalam bahawa asal, Hebrew untuk OT dan greek untuk NT.

Orang Yahudi dan kristian yang berbahasa Hebrew masih lagi menggunakan OT dalam bahasa asal. Begitu juga kristian Greek masih lagi menggunakan NT dalam bahasa asal.

Shwein1990 · Post time 13-3-2008 08:53 PM

*sigh* cant see replies......

EDIT: finally..... able to see replies!!

dear mod, is this a bug??

[ Last edited by Shwein1990 at 13-3-2008 08:55 PM ]

shalom · Post time 13-3-2008 08:54 PM

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 10-3-2008 09:27 AM
Tak kenal Truth8... aku pun tak kenal.. he..he.. aku cuma baca tulisan dia je... aku faham.. kalau Truth8 punya tulisan memihak kepada Trinity.. mesti kau sokong dia.. well kau orang pun berbalah sesama sendirikan...dot..dot..tut..tut..

Nak tanya, adakah sr. antara orang yang percaya bahawa Allah wujud atau dimana-mana?

Sebab ada orang Islam yang menafikan bahawa Allah wujud dimana-mana, dan siap berkata golongan yang percaya allah berasa dimana-mana adalah sesat...

alhaj72 · Post time 14-3-2008 12:39 PM

Am I a bug.. Am I meaningless, pointless etc.. ahh kids..

shalom · Post time 14-3-2008 02:02 PM

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 14-3-2008 12:33 PM
In terms oftheology, Christianity has struggled with the relationship between"old" and "new" testaments from its very beginnings.[3] Modern Christian formulations of this tension, sometimes building upon ancient and medieval ideas, include supersessionism, covenant theology, and dispensationalism.However, all of these formulations are objectionable to mainstreamJudaism and to many Jewish scholars and writers, for whom there is onlyone covenant, and who therefore reject the very term Old Testament.

Saya teringat dengan analisis yang dibuat oleh Ellis, dalam bukunya, "The Old Testament in Early Christianity: Canon and Interpretation in the Light of Modern Research" , Baker: 1991.

"Biblical interpretation in the New Testament church shows in a remarkableway the Jewishness of earliest Christianity. It followed exegeticalmethods common to Judaism and drew its perspective and presuppositionsfrom Jewish backgrounds. However, in one fundamental respect the earlyChristian hermeneutic differed from that of other religious partiesand theologies in Judaism, that is, in the christological exposition ofthe Scripture totally focused upon Jesus as the Messiah. This differentfocus decisively influences both the perspective from which they expoundthe Old Testament and the way in which their presuppositions are broughtto bear upon the specific biblical texts. Their perspective and presuppositionsprovide, in turn, the theological framework for the development of theirexegetical themes and for the whole of New Testament theology.

"First-century Judaism was a highly diverse phenomenon, as becomesapparent from a comparison of the writings of Philo, Josephus, Qumran,the (traditions of the) rabbis and the early Christians. The New Testament,which as far as I can see was written altogether by Jews, is a partof that diversity but also a part of that Judaism. Its writers wereJews, but Jews who differed from the majority of the nation and who intime found the greater number of their company of faith not among theirown people but among the Gentiles. And still today, apart from a continuingJudeo-Christian minority, the church remains a community of Gentiles, butGentiles with a difference. For as long as Gentile Christians giveattention to their charter documents, they can never forget that asthose who are joined to a Jewish Messiah they are in a manner of speaking'adopted Jews' or, in Paul's imagery, branches engrafted into theancient tree of Israel and a people who have their hope in the promisegiven to Abraham. The centrality of the Old Testament in the messageof Jesus and his apostles and prophets underscores that fact".

shalom · Post time 14-3-2008 02:07 PM

[quote]Originally posted by alhaj72 at 14-3-2008 12:29 PM

(NOTE: Jesusspoke Araimaic (Check Araimaic article) and crucified between 26 and 36AD/CE but Greek Testament been written (In Koine Greek by variousauthors) after 45 AD/CE till 140 AD/CE.. there抯 a gap between year 36AD/CE and year 45 AD. And it抯 took 95 years

Shwein1990 · Post time 14-3-2008 03:09 PM

Dear alhaj72,

"Am I a bug.. Am I meaningless, pointless etc.. ahh kids.."

You'r not a bug, and your are meaningful to God. Who ever said u'r a bug?? If u meant my post #152 that mentioned a bug. It is about this forum, not U. please understand carefully before u make a comment.

"That the proved thatoriginal Bible had been corrupted" Whose idea was it?? whose quote was it??

*sigh*

alhaj72 · Post time 14-3-2008 06:03 PM

So I'm not the bug... pheww... sorry for misunderstood... human tought is weak.. easily misunderstanding...

Outstation for 2 days and rest for incoming 2 days..

Watt.. you're from Sabah? Kadazan?

Casejulia... I'm still waiting more answers and verses.. the slumberless and sleepless is correct.. I'm agrred with you.. but there should more of it...

orangbesi · Post time 15-3-2008 07:17 PM

salam

tompang bertanya
quate by alhaj:
Muslim belief about the previous holy books has been in part shaped by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)'s interaction with Jews and Christians of his time. Some of these Jews and Christians were his earlier converts. The prophet's first wife, Khadijah was known as a Christian before converting to Islam, as was her cousin Waraka (or Warqa), who was considered a serious Bible student and perhaps even a translator of Scripture. So it would be beneficial to try to understand exactly what the Koran says about those holy books, and also what Jews and Christians of that time would have thought about the books. In doing this, we will also look at the holy Injil's use of various titles for different Scriptures.

but khadijah and her cousin were in mecca
and that the point the abraham receive the SUHUF
so the people of mecca (during muhammad)
really lost the doktrin of SUHUF abraham???
instead some do follows the BIBLE

alhaj72 · Post time 18-3-2008 06:03 PM

On that time.. It's not only 10 peoples around Mecca...

I don't know how many but sure is many...

Jews Judaism, Jew Christian, Gentile Christian (Arabian), People who follow SUHUF of Ibrahim, sembah berhala pun ada dan bermacam-macam bangsa dan agama.....

Who knows... ada saksi mata ke? Sapa lak nak tulis sejarah sampai begitu punya detail... Mecca ada berapa penduduk pada masa tu.. agama ada berapa...etc

Luu piiikiiirrrr laaa sendiriiiii bebbbb....chow