Is God comprise of One, Two Or Three. One God BUT TWO

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Originally posted by casejulia at 6-6-2006 01:48 AM
for me the FATHER, the SON, and the HOLY SPIRIT are equal!

all in one?

than u mind explaining this:


In His great prayer before His arrest and trial, Jesus
looked up to Heaven and said, "Father the hour has come.
Glorify Your Son that Your Son also may glorify You. ....

... ... .this is eternal life, that they may know You, the

Only True God and Jesus Christ whom You have sent....

. . and now, 0 Father, glorify Me together with Yourself
with the glory which I had with You before the world was"
(John 17:1-5,NKJV).

These are profound words.

Jesus looks up to Heaven because He knows God is
bodily present there. He calls Him Father and claims to be
His Son. This means Jesus is not the Father and the Father
is not Jesus. They are separate persons, the Father is in
Heaven while the Son is on earth as a man.

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Originally posted by wattttb at 5-6-2006 11:43 PM
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN " TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."

AS A REAL CHRISTIAN WE MUST KNOW WHAT SPIRIT IS AND WHAT FLESH IS. ...

Wattttb , u creating a mess like the Da vinci code.

U giving ur own view where else I point out my fact according to Bible verses.

As usual, RC works to misleads us.

Trinity is nothing but earlier Vatican HOAX. read my topic from begining who and who is tellingthe truth.

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 6-6-2006 01:59 AM ]

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"'And it shall come to pass in the last days,' says God,
'That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and 'your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.'

casejulia

john 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves

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Who Was Jesus?
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).

Except perhaps for the book of Hebrews, the Gospel of John gives the most complete explanation in the New Testament about the divinity of Jesus Christ. As previously related, verses 1-3 and 14 of John 1 clearly explain that the Word was God and dwelt with the Father until He later became the Christ, or "Anointed One."

As British scholar F.F. Bruce put it: "The New Testament indicates that he [Jesus Christ] existed before he lived on earth as a historical character. We are thus encouraged to ask not only, 'What was the mode of this earlier existence of his?' . . . but also, 'What is he said to have done in that earlier existence?'" (Jesus Past, Present and Future: The Work of Christ, 1979, pp. 11-12).

As The New Bible Commentary: Revised explains: "In the prologue [introductory passage of John's Gospel] the pre-existence and deity of Christ are expressed explicitly. The Logos [Word] was not only with God in the beginning, but was God (1:1), and it was this Logos who became flesh and is identified with Christ" (p. 928).

Several other passages in John's Gospel reveal significant details that help us understand even more fully. Consider an account later in chapter 1: "The next day John [the Baptist] saw Jesus coming toward Him, and said, 'Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is He of whom I said, "After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me"'" (verses 29-30).

John the Baptist was born before Jesus (Luke 1:35-36, 57-60) and began his ministry before Christ began His. Yet John still said, "He was before me." Why? It was precisely because Jesus was the preexistent Word prior to His human birth (John 1:14).

Conversations with the Pharisees

In dealing with accusations from the Pharisees, Jesus said to them: "Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from [the Father's right hand in heaven] and where I am going; but you do not know where I came from and where I am going" (John 8:14).

Later the apostle Paul articulated this same view. "The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, or understand the word of the prophets which are read Sabbath by Sabbath. Indeed they fulfilled them by condemning Him" (Acts 13:27, REB).

Just as in the first century, today only a relatively few people truly comprehend who Jesus was, where He came from, what He is doing and what He will yet do. In the Bible this small but special group is called the "firstfruits" or "little flock" (James 1:18; Luke 12:32).

Later in this long exchange with the Pharisees, they asked Jesus, "Who do You make Yourself out to be?" (John 8:53). They simply had no idea of the real identity of the One with whom they were speaking. It is the same today. Few people really understand the true origins of Jesus Christ.

Christ patiently explained, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad" (verse 56). But how was this possible? The patriarch Abraham lived some 2,000 years before the birth of Jesus. Continuing Christ's discourse: "Then the Jews said to Him, 'You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them, 'Most assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM'" (verses 57-58).

We should pause for a moment to digest what Jesus said.

Just click here Who Was Jesus?

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How Is God One?

"Hear O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!" (Deuteronomy 6:4).


The Bible makes it abundantly clear there is only one God. Jesus quotes Moses in saying, "Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one" (Mark 12:29; compare Deuteronomy 6:4). Paul tells us that "there is no God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4) and that "there is one God" (1 Timothy 2:5).

The Bible also tells us that all other supposed gods are idols

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Of course, this oneness is not complete or total. Yet in a physical sense that complete oneness is reached at the moment of conception. As one science book put it: "Human life begins in . . . cooperation of the most intimate sort. The two cells wholly merge. They combine their genetic material. Two very different beings become one. The act of making a human being involves . . . cooperation so perfect that the partners' separate identities vanish" (Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan, Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors, 1992, p. 199).

Even the separate DNA substances of two distinct human beings combine at conception to form a new, unique human being, one different from all other persons.

How wonderful are the things of God! How sublime are His purposes for the human family. Understanding marriage and the family helps us grasp aspects of the Kingdom of God.

One Church but many members

Continuing with our study of the biblical use of numbers, Paul wrote that "there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28). There is one Church, said Paul, but composed of many individual members possessing various spiritual gifts and talents.

He further explained to the Corinthian brethren: "There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but the same God who works all in all" (1 Corinthians 12:4-6).

Paul spent considerable effort to get this simple point across. He continues in verse 12: "For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ." Here Paul compares the Church to the human body.

Next he reminds us in principle of what he had previously written in Galatians 3:28 (Galatians was written before 1 Corinthians). "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body梬hether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free梐nd have all been made to drink into one Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:13).

The Church is the spiritual body of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:2223). So that we fully understand, Paul then repeats Himself by continuing in 1 Corinthians 12 to compare the Church to the human body, which likewise has many members performing different functions: "For in fact the [human] body is not one member, but many . . . But now indeed there are many members, yet one body" (verses 14, 20).

Finally, in verse 27, he makes this basic point yet again: "Now you are the [one] body of Christ and individually [different] members of it" (verse 27, NRSV). In that sense the divine family is similar: one God and only one God, yet two individual glorified family members now constituting that one God梡lus many more potential members among mankind (Romans 8:29).

Paul also wrote in another context, "For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name" (Ephesians 3:14-15, NIV). Although there is only one family, there are many members, called the "firstfruits" (James 1:18). Truly converted Christians, led by God's Spirit, are already counted as members of the family (Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:1-2), even though they have not yet received glorification and immortality in the resurrection to eternal life, which will take place at Christ's return (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

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Is God One?



Click here How Is God One?

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Confusion About the Trinity Teaching

Many assume that the Holy Spirit, along with God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son, form what is commonly known as the Trinity. This traditional doctrine expresses a belief in one God who exists in three distinct but equal persons.

Did this doctrine originate in the Bible or in the early Church? The New Bible Dictionary answers: "The term 'Trinity' is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century, but received wide currency and formal elucidation only in the 4th and 5th centuries" (Inter-varsity Press, Downers Grove, Ill., 1996, p. 1209, emphasis added). The word Trinity didn't come into common use until several centuries after the last books of the Bible were completed.

But do people understand what the Trinity means or what it is? Obviously not.

A.W. Tozer, in his book The Knowledge of the Holy, writes that the Trinity is an "incomprehensible mystery" and that attempts to understand it "must remain forever futile." He even states, "The fact that it [the Trinity] cannot be satisfactorily explained, instead of being against it, is in its favor" (Harper & Row, New York, 1961, pp. 17, 23).

Unger's Bible Dictionary, in its article on the Trinity, concedes that the Trinitarian concept is humanly inexplicable: "It is admitted by all who thoughtfully deal with this subject that the Scripture revelation here leads us into the presence of a deep mystery; and that all human attempts at expression are of necessity imperfect" (Moody Press, Chicago, 1966, p. 1118).

Charles Hodge, a Protestant thinker who trained thousands of ministers in the 1800s, described the Trinity as "mysterious" and "out of analogy with all other objects of human knowledge." In other words, the doctrine of the Trinity is totally unlike anything else God created or unlike anything else we humans can understand. While promoting belief in the Trinity, Hodge admits that "no such doctrine as that of the Trinity can be adequately proved by any citation of Scriptural passages" (Systematic Theology, abridged edition, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1988, pp. 166, 168).

Why is the concept of the Holy Spirit as a third person of a supposedly triune Godhead so difficult to grasp or explain? Because the Bible does not teach it! One cannot prove something from the Bible that is not biblical. GN

-- Scott Ashley

wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN " TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."


From Truth 8 (Message 285):-

Wattttb , u creating a mess like the Da vinci code.

U giving ur own view where else I point out my fact according to Bible verses.

As usual, RC works to misleads us.

Trinity is nothing but earlier Vatican HOAX. read my topic from begining who and who is telling the truth.



Respond from WATT:-


THE TRUTH IS HERE AGAIN

=>揑N THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

Truth.8

Originally posted by wattttb at 8-6-2006 01:40 AM
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN " TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."


From Truth 8 (Message 285):-

Wattttb , u creating a mess like ...

Read again:

"'And it shall come to pass in the last days,' says God,
'That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and 'your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.'

wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM BACK AGAIN " TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."


TRUTH 8,

YOUR ORIGINAL TOPIC WAS

揑s God comprise of One, Two Or Three. One God BUT TWO

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Originally posted by wattttb at 18-6-2006 11:54 PM
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM BACK AGAIN " TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."


TRUTH 8,

YOUR ORIGINAL TOPIC WAS

揑s God comprise o ...

your explanation is rather confusing because u failed to debate according to Bible verses.

Read again:



Read again:

"'And it shall come to pass in the last days,' says God,
'That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and 'your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.'

wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM BACK AGAIN " TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."


TRUTH 8,

YOUR ORIGINAL TOPIC WAS

揑s God comprise of One, Two Or Three. One God BUT TWO

Truth.8

Originally posted by wattttb at 19-6-2006 11:12 PM
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM BACK AGAIN " TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."


TRUTH 8,

YOUR ORIGINAL TOPIC WAS

揑s God comprise of ...

i ask u simple question, what the following verses mean?

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh.

is the above verses God Holy spirit??? pls explaine in short and understanding.

I am also explaining base on Bible verses not my own view.

read again:

Mat.28:18 is not a proof of the Trinity just because the three are listed together. In Rev.1:4-5,  three are listed together, "Him who is, who was and who is to come (the Father), the seven spirits, and from Jesus Christ". But are they all in the
same category? No, the seven spirits are not God but are seven spirit-angelic beings.
Again in Luke 9:26, three are listed together, the glory of Jesus, the glory of the
Father and the glory of the angels, can we assume they are under the same category? No, the angels are not in the God category.
So it is wrong to assume that just because the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are listed together they are all persons of God, and therefore God is three persons.
Mat.28:18 is not a baptismal formula. The early Christians did not baptise in the
name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit but only in Jesus' Name. See
Acts 2:28, 8:16,8:36-37, 10:48).
Mat.28:18 is an instruction to put the disciples into the Family of the Father. How is this done? By repentance and afterwards by prayer and laying of hands. Jesus then
sends the Holy Spirit from the Father into the disciples so that they come under the
Father's Name. Notice, it does not say in the Son's Name and in the Holy Spirit's Name but in the Name of the Father, of the Son and of the Spirit. It is putting the believer under the family name of the Father through the involvement of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, this is what Mat.28:18  really means.
It's about conversion, to become a child of the Father, but the Son is involved as the High Priest, who baptises the man or woman into spiritual water of the Holy Spirit, and it is this Holy Spirit, the power and presence of God that makes a man or woman a child of God. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are involved in the conversion but the Holy Spirit is not the third person but thepower of the Father and the Son. That is why it says in Acts 1:8, "you shall receive POWER when the Holy spirit comes upon you" .If you still believe the Holy Spirit is the third person, then ask yourself who is Jesus' Father - is He the Most High God or the Holy Spirit? Because in Mat.1:18,20, it says Jesus was conceived  in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit.

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wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN " TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."


From Truth 8 (message 298) :-

I ask u simple question, what the following verses mean?

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh.

is the above verses God Holy spirit??? pls explaine in short and understanding.


From WATT :

Act 2:1-21,

PENTECOST

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Originally posted by wattttb at 21-6-2006 03:48 AM
Here, GOD THE FATHER pours out HIS SPIRIT (HOLY SPIRIT) to all people; HE makes of all the people HIS PROPHETS, HIS WITNESSES.
See!!! THE TRUTH

read your writing. u wrote GOD THE FATHER pours out HIS SPIRIT (HOLY SPIRIT)

so, how come trinity ? Now that u know Holy Spirit is Father spririt and wrote it and admit. so, NO trinity.

Yup, the truth is out there

wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN 揟O SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE."


Dear Truth 8

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Originally posted by wattttb at 23-6-2006 06:15 AM
am not judging you. it true...you have THE WRONG GOD.


...

are u sayings me keeping Sabbath, keeping 7 festivals of Bible and everything based on Bible i observed and yet u says my faith is wrong god?

.....and you worshipped mary, dead souls, sunday, trinity, easter , christmas and etc which not even mentioned in Bible and you keep true god???

.....and when i debate and write according to Bible verses to support my claimed and you write based vatican sayings and view and yet u judge me saying i kept wrong god???


you never even give proper explanation to all my question base on Bible but u says i kept wrong god?


How can I confused u , when u  reply my question and agreed that God the Father is Holy Spirit and not trinity:

Read what u wrote:

Originally posted by wattttb at 21-6-2006 03:48 AM
Here, GOD THE FATHER pours out HIS SPIRIT (HOLY SPIRIT) to all people; HE makes of all the people HIS PROPHETS, HIS WITNESSES.
See!!! THE TRUTH

read your writing. u wrote GOD THE FATHER pours out HIS SPIRIT (HOLY SPIRIT)

so, how come trinity ? Now that u know Holy Spirit is Father spirit and u wrote it and admit. so, NO trinity.

Yup, the truth is out there in your Bible   Holy Spirit frm God the Father and not trinity beings

God the Father is Holy and Spirit  = Holy Spirit.

So, simple to understand yet most christens confused and claimed Holy Spirit is trinity begins.


can u answere this:

If you still believe the Holy Spirit is the third person, then ask yourself who is Jesus' Father - is He the Most High God or the Holy Spirit? Because in Mat.1:18,20, it says Jesus was conceived  in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit.

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 23-6-2006 05:59 PM ]

wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN 揟O SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE.